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RAFEngO74to09 28th Mar 2021 15:07

UK Space Command - 1 April 2021
 
UK Space "Wings" - or "Non-Flying Badge" given the pages devoted on PPRuNe to this type of thing !


NutLoose 28th Mar 2021 16:28

Why is it a wing at all, it’s not a flying trade? What happens if you’re aircrew joining the new command, do you start stacking the badges on your uniform?


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Pegasus107 28th Mar 2021 16:46

Oh dear https://twitter.com/UkSpaceCommand has been suspended :cool:

DuncanDoenitz 28th Mar 2021 17:14

I strongly suspect "this is the thread of the Mysterons".

Willard Whyte 28th Mar 2021 17:19


Originally Posted by Pegasus107 (Post 11018077)
Oh dear https://twitter.com/UkSpaceCommand has been suspended :cool:

One wonders which rule(s) it broke, perhaps something to do with beards?

RAFEngO74to09 28th Mar 2021 17:23

Banter from one wag already !

Originally Posted by Willard Whyte (Post 11018103)
One wonders which rule(s) it broke, perhaps something to do with beards?

I suspect it was a pardody account - note the incorrect capitalization "Uk".
The verified account is the one I posted.

At least the uniforms will be cheap - the RAF No 2 Home Dress 1972 Pattern - AKA "Thunderbirds" jacket - to which "'wings" may be attached - available New on eBay for GBP 19.99 !

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RAF-Uniform...wAAOSwi7RZEzLr

NutLoose 28th Mar 2021 20:15

Cringe.........

Corporal Clott 28th Mar 2021 20:37

It replaces this, which is the USAF badge as the RAF didn’t have one. They’ve been wearing these for many a year at RAF Fylingdales, Vandenberg AFB and the Space Ops Centre (SpOC) at RAF High Wycombe.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4598f6ad4.jpeg
Here is a Corporal receiving one having completed the Space Operators Course in the USA.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...space-command/
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5fab2fbd3.jpeg


So really this is fine. The normal rules in QRs applies, in that you wear the badge for which you are qualified for, if you’re in staff then you take your pick which one you want to wear if you qualified for it. It’s not a flying badge either, so if you are flying then it will subservient to any flying badge. Times move on and it was about time we stopped wearing USAF badges.

STN Ramp Rat 28th Mar 2021 21:30

I believe it’s getting it’s own cadet force .... the space cadets.

Timelord 28th Mar 2021 22:14

I trust that the new OC Space Command will be leading from the front by replacing his (so last century) pilot’s wings with one of those.

That was tongue in cheek but this is a genuine question: Why do Space Operators qualify for a badge that does look a lot like a flying badge but Air Battlespace Managers ( is that the correct term?) or indeed Air Traffic Controllers do not?



Lima Juliet 28th Mar 2021 22:37


Originally Posted by Timelord (Post 11018242)
I trust that the new OC Space Command will be leading from the front by replacing his (so last century) pilot’s wings with one of those.

That was tongue in cheek but this is a genuine question: Why do Space Operators qualify for a badge that does look a lot like a flying badge but Air Battlespace Managers ( is that the correct term?) or indeed Air Traffic Controllers do not?

They did on the Shackleton, they do on the E3D Sentry and they will on the E7 Wedgetail :ok:

Thaihawk 28th Mar 2021 22:44


Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz (Post 11018098)
I strongly suspect "this is the thread of the Mysterons".

We know you can hear us,

I am Wing Commander Black.

Timelord 28th Mar 2021 22:49


Originally Posted by Lima Juliet (Post 11018248)
They did on the Shackleton, they do on the E3D Sentry and they will on the E7 Wedgetail :ok:

Yes, but they were / are doing their job whilst airborne. Their ground based colleagues didn’t get the badge. That’s my point.

tartare 29th Mar 2021 02:37

Well the motto does end with `...Ad Astra' doesn't it!

SwitchMonkey 29th Mar 2021 12:07

Cultural appropriation?
 
A badge that very much looks like an aircrew badge but isn’t.

A move to rebrand Airmen as Aviators.

From the BBC - “Cultural appropriation is when a tradition, such as clothing or a hairstyle, is taken from a culture and used in a different way.

It can offend people when people do this without making it clear where the traditions come from, or when they don't acknowledge how important they are to certain cultures.

This can make some people feel as if their culture is not being respected.”

Am I allowed to be offended or are aircrew not allowed to take offence?

esscee 29th Mar 2021 13:10

Any statement that has April 1st should be taken "with a pinch of salt".

Timelord 29th Mar 2021 14:45


Originally Posted by esscee (Post 11018589)
Any statement that has April 1st should be taken "with a pinch of salt".

Follow Project Astra; Every day is April Fools Day.

I suppose that if everyone is an aviator, it follows that everyone gets a flying badge !

BEagle 29th Mar 2021 22:54

The February 1954 edition of Royal Air Force Flying Review (price 1/-) includes an article 'In the Year 2004' all about 'RAF space bomber No.17' launching from Launch Site No. 61 in Cornwall, then landing at Port Albany in Canada after an exercise hunting a 'submersible carrier' of the Royal Canadian Navy.

Total bolleaux, but interesting to know what the writer thought the RAF of the future would be like.

Readers were invited to submit a letter about the RAF of 50 years ahead - and half a guinea was promised for each letter published!

Mil-26Man 30th Mar 2021 07:23


Any statement that has April 1st should be taken "with a pinch of salt".
Is what many in the British Army and Royal Navy were saying in 1918, no doubt.

HAS59 30th Mar 2021 10:57

I wish them well, in fact, I hope they all Live long and Prosper

Training Risky 30th Mar 2021 11:41

Have I missed something? Is this for scopies and other forms of '3rd man in the cockpit'?!

DuncanDoenitz 31st Mar 2021 19:47

One more sleep till launch. The anticipation is killing me.

Crromwellman 1st Apr 2021 16:09


Originally Posted by esscee (Post 11018589)
Any statement that has April 1st should be taken "with a pinch of salt".

But I believe that the RAF was founded on 1st April 1918. Should I take thee RAF with a pinch of salt?, or the whole salt mine? Well, I only arsked.

Flugplatz 1st Apr 2021 20:45

What's really needed is some 'space' combat medals to go with those wings...

Herod 1st Apr 2021 21:15

1st April 1965. My commissioning date. Always in good company.

FantomZorbin 2nd Apr 2021 06:54

When will the first press conference be held by the PM with Sir Hubert Guest and Professor Peabody?

Flugplatz 3rd Apr 2021 19:35

And hopefully with a celebratory fly-by by "Anastasia"

ORAC 17th May 2021 05:55

https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield...-capabilities/

Royal Air Force invests in space capabilities

NutLoose 17th May 2021 12:37


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11045928)

Royal Air Force invests in space capabilities

Social distancing? ;)

Timelord 30th Jul 2021 12:44

I see that the first “Space Operators” non flying badges have been presented, so it wasn’t an April fool. Congratulations to all those who have achieved the standard but now we have Squadron numbers for all sorts of non flying units, and flying badges for non flying personnel. Oh dear! I know that moving with the times is important, but so are tradition and ethos.

ORAC 30th Jul 2021 13:14


Oh dear! I know that moving with the times is important, but so are tradition and ethos.
Per Ardua Ad Astra….



ICM 30th Jul 2021 22:50

The new badge can be seen via this BBC report - scroll down as required:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58029083



dctyke 31st Jul 2021 08:08

Who will be the first to get a Ultraviolet or Infrared endorsement? Of course we still have (I think) the Space Drome at Spadeadam, just needs a bit of a clean up to get it up and running.

Stitchbitch 31st Jul 2021 09:18

Well done RAF, moving forwards and creating new badges, traditions, units, culture and customs whilst still giving a nod to the past with the single wing design.

brakedwell 31st Jul 2021 09:59

When are this lot going into orbit then!


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....28089a044f.jpg

Bob Viking 31st Jul 2021 10:08

Brakedwell
 
I’m confused.

Why did you post a picture of a slightly aging Austin Powers with a bunch of senior officers?

BV

Timelord 31st Jul 2021 11:15


Originally Posted by Stitchbitch (Post 11087545)
Well done RAF, moving forwards and creating new badges, traditions, units, culture and customs whilst still giving a nod to the past with the single wing design.

An entirely reasonable view, but my point is this: If the Space Operations specialisation is so different to, say ATC or ABM as to warrant a badge on the left breast, a space TRADITIONALLY reserved for flying badges, then I wish they had designed an entirely new badge. In my view the use of the single wing for a non flying trade devalues those awarded to flyers over the last 102 years.

I wonder if the senior RAF officers in the picture would be smiling so broadly if the Space Ops people had been awarded pilot’s wings with the space ops symbol in the middle?

Ninthace 31st Jul 2021 11:31


Originally Posted by Timelord (Post 11087598)
An entirely reasonable view, but my point is this: If the Space Operations specialisation is so different to, say ATC or ABM as to warrant a badge on the left breast, a space TRADITIONALLY reserved for flying badges, then I wish they had designed an entirely new badge. In my view the use of the single wing for a non flying trade devalues those awarded to flyers.

I wonder if the senior RAF officers in the picture would be smiling so broadly if the Space Ops people had been awarded pilot’s wings with the space ops symbol in the middle?

I presume the badge is worn on the left breast to make it easy to tap when you need to talk to the bridge. The single wing is superfluous, in space you don't need no wings! If they resurrect a replacement to the shuttle programme in the future. a set of glider wings should suffice.

Lima Juliet 31st Jul 2021 20:40


Originally Posted by Timelord (Post 11087598)
An entirely reasonable view, but my point is this: If the Space Operations specialisation is so different to, say ATC or ABM as to warrant a badge on the left breast, a space TRADITIONALLY reserved for flying badges, then I wish they had designed an entirely new badge. In my view the use of the single wing for a non flying trade devalues those awarded to flyers over the last 102 years.

I wonder if the senior RAF officers in the picture would be smiling so broadly if the Space Ops people had been awarded pilot’s wings with the space ops symbol in the middle?

It’s not for a non-flying trade - Aircrew can qualify for it and wear it, should they wish. Also, non-flying branches and trades have had their own flying badges since 1982:
  1. Fighter Control “FC” single wing for Air Ops and Non Commissioned Controllers on Shacks and Sentry.
  2. Airborne Technician “AT” single wing for TG1 engineers on Sentry and Rivet Joint.
  3. Airborne Imagery Analyst “IA” single wing for TG11 Int Analysts on Sentinel.
  4. Airborne Specialist “RAF” single wing for the above 3, which are now obsolete, and the Mission Intelligence Coordinators (MICs) of TG11 that operate parts of the MQ9 Reaper, and very recently TG19 AGS who are Cabin Crew on Voyager and BAe 146.
The Space Operators Badge has a silver wing, compared to all RAF Flying Badges have an ecru-colour drab silk wing (or they should have). So side by side, they are different. As for wearing badges on the breast, the space operators were already doing that with the USAF’s version - which horror of horrors has 2 ‘wings’!

As a single wing flying badge wearer I really can’t get too stuffy about this (2 kinds as well!). The Space Ops Badge looks different enough to both of my flying badges that I am entitled to wear, so I really don’t give 2 hoots. In fact, for anyone that qualifies for the Space Ops Badge, all I can say is - well done!

As for wings in space. Here are the US military’s Astronaut badges - it doesn’t seem to worry them!!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6c511fa8f.jpeg

Friedlander 1st Aug 2021 22:32

I have to say that I am really worried about the Space Command pseudo brevet (or whatever we're calling it) as that's a whole load more people at Air Command who will be unable to remove their wooly pullovers whatever the temperature. Maybe that's why their boss has directed them to come to work in their combat PJs (or maybe it's so they can pretend to be 'Joint', where 'Joint' = Army).





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