Has any of this been confirmed? Could be painted for a film for all we know - they painted one in Indian Airlines colours last year.... :ok:
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11014820)
Has any of this been confirmed? Could be painted for a film for all we know - they painted one in Indian Airlines colours last year.... :ok:
If you were painting an Airbus for a film, not sure a brand new A321Neo would be your best choice? (but I've been wrong before) Then there's the talk of a second ship, G-GBNI, bow ar Finkenwerder |
As sensible a choice as some of the suggestions so far....
My point was there seems to be an awful lot of smoke and not much fire. Are the A.321's for 32 sqn, are they replacing the 146's? etc etc |
That is indeed a good question!
Post retirement of the 146, No. 32 (The Royal Squadron) would appear to then consist of one helicopter, presumably being renamed The Royal Flight again. The A330 is not a Detachment of 32, but indeed part of the Brize/Airtanker orbat. How the A321 fits with anyone, at a remote location and under Titan’s management is undoubtedly causing some head-scratching at HQ Air. The rest of Northolt, exempt 1 AIDU, is largely a collection of orphans from Uxbridge needing a home. And the costs are presumably partly subsidised by Heathrow-Lite, the Biz Jet facility. It’s a conundrum |
Why would they keep one helicopter as a 'Royal' Squadron when the Royals either use the S76 based at Odiham or a helicopter chartered from Starspeed at Fairoaks (convenient for Bagshot Park and the Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park)?
As I said, I can see the airfield at Northolt being handed to a civilian contractor leaving the north side as an RAF enclave. |
Northolt was resurfaced during summer 2019 I think - during Trump's visit, his helicopters were based at Biggin Hill.
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Originally Posted by VigilantPilot
(Post 11015213)
That said, didn't it have the runway redone a couple of years ago...usually a good prediction of closing an airfield!
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Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11015210)
Why would they keep one helicopter as a 'Royal' Squadron when the Royals either use the S76 based at Odiham or a helicopter chartered from Starspeed at Fairoaks (convenient for Bagshot Park and the Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park)?
As I said, I can see the airfield at Northolt being handed to a civilian contractor leaving the north side as an RAF enclave. |
I wonder whether the cheapest way to procure VIP government transport isnt indeed by a charter from the private sector. By committing to a minimum number of hours per year you can secure a reasonable cost, and even get to call the shots on livery if you commit to enough hours. Im guessing that the market is pretty competitive at the moment. Rather like obtaining your car on PCP instead of purchasing it. Avoids the oncost of it being operated within the RAF, maintaining separate airfields, and all the squadron number / Royal flight mumbo jumbo. For those concerned about such important (?) people being flown by "civvies" isnt that the default option anyway?
All seems, for once, remarkably sensible to me. |
Originally Posted by falcon900
(Post 11015287)
I wonder whether the cheapest way to procure VIP government transport isnt indeed by a charter from the private sector. By committing to a minimum number of hours per year you can secure a reasonable cost, and even get to call the shots on livery if you commit to enough hours. Im guessing that the market is pretty competitive at the moment. Rather like obtaining your car on PCP instead of purchasing it. Avoids the oncost of it being operated within the RAF, maintaining separate airfields, and all the squadron number / Royal flight mumbo jumbo. For those concerned about such important (?) people being flown by "civvies" isnt that the default option anyway?
All seems, for once, remarkably sensible to me. |
Originally Posted by Jhieminga
(Post 11014744)
There was a second reason for the stop at Shannon: passengers were processed through US customs during this stopover so that when arriving at JFK, they could proceed as if getting off a regional flight.
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
(Post 11015291)
But could you plaster a big Union Jack along the length of a chartered aircraft? Seems to be the goal, as much as anything.
Jack |
So who is using those government flights and couldn't they just book something from Heathrow? What groups are these beyound what the prime minister could use some Netjet or MRTT for?
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Originally Posted by Ripton
(Post 11015324)
They were on the earlier of the two flights each day but not the later flight which served dinner on the ground as described and ended with the usual unfriendly reception from JFKs customs officers. I assume the reasoning behind the Shannon pre clearance was to allow passengers to get into Manhattan earlier for business meetings; the later flight arrived in the early evening in time for a dinner meeting or drinks so time spent in JFK was less of an issue.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
(Post 11015354)
So who is using those government flights and couldn't they just book something from Heathrow? What groups are these beyound what the prime minister could use some Netjet or MRTT for?
Basing the A321s there too would avoid the paparazzi. |
Back to the original title of this thread, said aircraft ZZ336 just landed at Athens probably to disembark Prince of Wales.
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Courtesy of flightradar24, it looks like it's been doing some real work while it's there.....
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....42ce8e6751.png airsound |
Originally Posted by A4scooter
(Post 11014774)
Surely the BBJ MAX, which is compatible with P8 and P7 with a cargo door would have been more suitable, built in steps, no baggage belt required and great range. In addition if a cargo door was fitted it could be used for the aeromed role?
Originally Posted by VigilantPilot
(Post 11015213)
......the Defence Review has a future fixed wing CSAT asset planned.,,it's just that there will probably be a gap in capability
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Originally Posted by Beatts
(Post 11013296)
Titan Airways G-XATW currently at Stansted getting repainted to match ZZ336 infamous paint scheme. Due to be a likely replacement for the Bae146. |
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