Maybe the Russians are re-defining body armor as a small one person tank https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif |
Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 10984847)
Will the Opposition Leader be demonstrating its effectiveness? :hmm:
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Originally Posted by innuendo
(Post 10985238)
I was wondering when someone would ask what this body armour would look like. Something that can withstand a .50 cal may not be too portable.
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How thick is it - couple of feet?
I have never fired anything bigger than a 12 bore shotgun, and that is loud enough for me! |
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Even if true, it will have some negative affects. That helicopter that could carry X number of soldiers is now at X minus some number. That meaning more helicopters are needed or fewer soldiers are available, same for vehicles, etc. That means a greater logistics/support tail and so on.
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Russia claim their new future body armour will stoo a .50 calibre
I am afraid they are away with the fairies. I remember not too long ago a U.S SPECIAL SNIPER USED A BARRETT M82 50 CALIBRE ..NOW GET THIS.
HE TARGETED A TALIBAN AT ALMOST 1 MILE AFTER MANY CALIBRATIONS TI HIS RIFLE AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT TEMP. PLUS WIND SPEED.WHILE AIMING ANOTHER TALIBAN WAS STANDING BEHIBD TARGET. TRIGGER PULLED ..RESULT 2 DEAD TALIBAN, BULLET WENT RIGHT THROUGH ORIGIONAL TARGET. IT WA RECOGNISED AS THE LONGEST SNIOER KILL EVER RECORDED. YGE M82 WEIGHS APPRIX 30 LBS AND THE RECOIL IS DEVASTING IF THEY THINK THIS BODY ARMOUR WILL PROTECT THE TROUPS. IT WILL BE LIKE SHOOTING FISH IB A BARRELL FOR SHrpshooters. KEEP SAFE GUYS. |
Might be better to wear Teflon coated silk shirts in various shades and hues . Hoping for a through and through effect .The Teflon might aid the passage of the round through the body before the projectile could give up or transfer the energy to the surrounding flesh or bone . Just mitigating the effect of the round , so all you have to deal with is a very large transfer hole rather than the explosive carnage created by the energy transfer hydrostatic shock that can inflict devastating wounds . The type of wounding that was mentioned briefly in the Geneva Conventions limiting the types of ammunition’s that can be used against humans.
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No real issue making a strikeplate that can stop a .50BMG, stopping the spalling that will occur from the hit could however be a problem.
Hit will likely break some ribs but I'd rather live with that than a .50 hole in the chest! Here's a wearable plate stopping a .50 API round from up close. |
So there’s no hole in the body
Big deal, but easier for the undertaker
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Broke a concrete block and imprinted the inner lining onto a block of wood - perhaps a soft little human would not have fared very well from that hit.
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Originally Posted by fergusd
(Post 10985140)
Your energy calc is erronous, 20kJ is 110lbs@100kmh or about 2 large dogs@1100 inches/second . . . probaby knock you over . . .
Dang if I wasn't wrong, Fergusd, am I married to you? anyway Fergy is right... have a look at the crash test dummy, and the movement. The Hornady 50 750gr A-MAX is around. 15.2 Kj, for this test and that barely moved. The dummy does have an imprint on the skin from the writing on the armour inside, but if a new tattoo is the only thing that happens, then that is pretty impressive, the shot to the head of course is less fun. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9e7b9957c5.png |
Lots depend on the round fired though, stopping a regular fmj vs stopping something like a Raufoss Mk211 or SLAP round is a world apart!
Just don’t forget to remove the muzzle break if you intend to use SLAP rounds or things could go wrong! As for backface deformation, armour is usually tested with a clay backing to capture the imprint. Last one I wore was rated to .308AP, ceramic with some metal backing from memory. 10m test shots didn’t even dent the back. |
Originally Posted by fitliker
(Post 10985173)
I thought Boris was a bullet dodger ?
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Originally Posted by KARNAK66
(Post 10985682)
I am afraid they are away with the fairies. I remember not too long ago a U.S SPECIAL SNIPER USED A BARRETT M82 50 CALIBRE ..NOW GET THIS.
HE TARGETED A TALIBAN AT ALMOST 1 MILE AFTER MANY CALIBRATIONS TI HIS RIFLE AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT TEMP. PLUS WIND SPEED.WHILE AIMING ANOTHER TALIBAN WAS STANDING BEHIBD TARGET. TRIGGER PULLED ..RESULT 2 DEAD TALIBAN, BULLET WENT RIGHT THROUGH ORIGIONAL TARGET. IT WA RECOGNISED AS THE LONGEST SNIOER KILL EVER RECORDED. YGE M82 WEIGHS APPRIX 30 LBS AND THE RECOIL IS DEVASTING IF THEY THINK THIS BODY ARMOUR WILL PROTECT THE TROUPS. IT WILL BE LIKE SHOOTING FISH IB A BARRELL FOR SHrpshooters. KEEP SAFE GUYS. |
Impressive armour. Quite a lot of energy dissipated in smashing a breeze block though and I wouldn't want to try it myself! Very different behaviour to an elastic chest wall which dissipates some energy in deforming, so neither the block nor the test dummy show us much about behind armour blunt trauma injury. I imagine it would be Seriously Ouchy. Interesting read about body armour testing here https://www.nap.edu/read/13390/chapter/10#175
But I'm impressed by a plate that stops a 50BMG penetrating from so close. |
I don't think that the design is to protect the wearer from a .50cal. It is most probably intended to be very effective agains more conventional infantry weapons such as 7.62 on an AK47. They just happened to find out that in certain circumstances it may block the .50 cal as well. Hence the propaganda.
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Originally Posted by fitliker
(Post 10985859)
Might be better to wear Teflon coated silk shirts in various shades and hues . Hoping for a through and through effect .The Teflon might aid the passage of the round through the body before the projectile could give up or transfer the energy to the surrounding flesh or bone . Just mitigating the effect of the round , so all you have to deal with is a very large transfer hole rather than the explosive carnage created by the energy transfer hydrostatic shock that can inflict devastating wounds . The type of wounding that was mentioned briefly in the Geneva Conventions limiting the types of ammunition’s that can be used against humans.
Silk is one of the strongest materials to use and has been used in body armour for years, in fact if one certain person had bothered to put his on, WW1 might not have happened., https://www.theguardian.com/artandde...oyal-armouries https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/silk-body-armor/ |
If this is the stuff you can pick up at Walmart, presumably the "real" stuff is even more impressive?
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Originally Posted by fergusd
(Post 10985140)
Your energy calc is erronous, 20kJ is 110lbs@100kmh or about 2 large dogs@1100 inches/second . . . probaby knock you over . . .
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