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Imagegear 13th Jan 2021 10:21

From what I read earlier, the handoff from Belgium (Eurocontrol) disappeared into the ether as they crossed the North Sea.


The plane was apparently a private aircraft from Nuremberg, Germany, according to flight trackers.

The RAF has since released a statement, saying: QRA Typhoon aircraft were launched this afternoon from RAF Coningsby to intercept a civilian aircraft that had lost communications; subsequently, communications were re-established, the aircraft was intercepted and safely escorted to Stansted Airport.
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treadigraph 13th Jan 2021 10:34

Null Orifice, I think you'll find the type was a Garbled ExpressJet and they have an inclusive extraview with David Learjet of Fright International...

peterperfect 13th Jan 2021 10:37


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10966578)

Looks like a Samoan tattoo artist's impression of the wartime Dazzle camouflage used on ships.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....af2b0d860c.jpg

NutLoose 13th Jan 2021 11:04

This is the bizjet scheme I like, how cool is that!


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6e4cc3bec1.jpg

Non Linear Gear 13th Jan 2021 14:28


Originally Posted by LeftBlank (Post 10966848)
The aircraft would have been on an IFR Flight Plan and would have been talking to ATC. From the info released so far it looks like an equipment problem (or finger trouble) leading to a prolonged loss of communication. If ATC cant get hold of the crew using all means then an intercept in these circumstances is standard procedure.

Didn't change squawk code then. Cheers, I thought it was totally unannouced. Of course any break in comms is a shout. 9/11 taught everyone that.

OldLurker 13th Jan 2021 15:40

FAI Completes Stand-Out Project Pearl Global Express Refurbishment

Hirer to interceptors: "Do you know who I am?"

Non Linear Gear 13th Jan 2021 18:26

I hope the hirer that flew out of the UK on the aircraft was actually allowed to do so by the current coronavirus travel restrictions. If whom were, then that is fine. If not they should pay for the QRA shout. If they can afford to rent a Global Express, they can afford to.

Stitchbitch 14th Jan 2021 06:43


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10966968)
This is the bizjet scheme I like, how cool is that!

Almost as cool as the previous owners two Spitfires, although he may have sold up.

tmmorris 14th Jan 2021 08:17


Originally Posted by Non Linear Gear (Post 10966727)
Hope the passengers, if no essential travel pay for it. They paid the bucks and likely told the pilots so. If not essential, they should get a flea in the ear too.

I'm sure visiting your tax lawyer in Barbados is essential work...

Vzlet 14th Jan 2021 09:39

Previous Owner
 
Nothing that would make a sonic boom, but his hangar contains many nice things!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/vzlet/...n/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vzlet/...n/photostream/

25F 15th Jan 2021 10:04

SLF posting, if I may.

I thought standard procedure was to send two Typhoons up - but only one this time? Any idea why?

Nimmer 15th Jan 2021 14:55

There were 2 typhoons.

toratoratora 15th Jan 2021 14:56


Originally Posted by tmmorris (Post 10967563)
I'm sure visiting your tax lawyer in Barbados is essential work...

Nah- that would be BVI, Bahamas or Caymans!

toratoratora 15th Jan 2021 14:57


Originally Posted by Nimmer (Post 10968454)
There were 2 typhoons.

Only saw the one contrail (live near to M11)-unless they were in close?

25F 15th Jan 2021 15:11


Originally Posted by toratoratora (Post 10968457)
Only saw the one contrail (live near to M11)-unless they were in close?

Same here - one boom, one contrail, and only one aircraft on the screenshots of the tracking site...

Herod 15th Jan 2021 19:42


Same here - one boom, one contrail, and only one aircraft on the screenshots of the tracking site...
That proves the stealth version works

25F 15th Jan 2021 23:10


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 10968623)
That proves the stealth version works

Hah!

I'm not so sure now - the official RAF response referred to aircraft (plural).

DuncanDoenitz 16th Jan 2021 09:24


Originally Posted by 25F (Post 10968466)
Same here - one boom, one contrail, and only one aircraft on the screenshots of the tracking site...

Lots of military/security situations have 2 parties operating in cooperation; one that the antagonist (and casual observers) can see, and one that is more covert.

One half of the team (policeman/nightclub-doorman/patrol) makes itself known to the target, attempts to determine their intentions, and seeks to influence their behavior. Because of their observability and proximity, however, they are not necessarily best placed to respond to aggressive or non compliant actions by the perpetrator.

The other half of the team (policeman/ambush party/interceptor) stands back, normally carries a big stick, and prepares to intervene if required. If you've noticed him, he's lost part of his advantage.

Rather than ask why you couldn't see the second Typhoon, perhaps we should be considering why we could see the first? Why would a military aircraft on a live operation employ the tactic of making itself visible on a tracking website and (presumably) on TCAS?


25F 16th Jan 2021 13:20


Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz (Post 10968956)
Rather than ask why you couldn't see the second Typhoon, perhaps we should be considering why we could see the first?

Wild guess: physics?

DuncanDoenitz 16th Jan 2021 14:26

Of course physics. Lots-of-noise physics, contrail physics, FR24 physics and Twitter physics.

All avoided by his buddy (not, I hasten to add, his wingman), who is quietly positioning himself in the target's 6.


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