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AWACS replacement moving
https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2020/12/...fter-30-years/
Evidently the new E-7 Wedgetails are moving to Lossiemouth as well. FB |
Aready mentioned here:
https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/619712-uk-orders-boeing-e7-8.html Post 145 |
It's another great way to ensure you shed your key experience as not all people will wish to relocate to a new operating centre...
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Eggs, single basket, comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by HEDP
(Post 10949816)
It's another great way to ensure you shed your key experience as not all people will wish to relocate to a new operating centre...
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With that comment you would think that you worked in the personnel department.......
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Originally Posted by HEDP
(Post 10949831)
With that comment you would think that you worked in the personnel department.......
CG |
Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 10949821)
It's the military. They'll go where they're bloody-well told.:E
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Fair play, Lossie is probably the right location for Poseidon.....but the Wedgetail? The closer to the middle east, the better!
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I hear to keep the jobs local. They are having 20 bases spread around and just ferry the few E7's and P8's between them.
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The move to Lossiemouth is possibly to give Westmonster a bit of leverage when Wee Jimmy Crankie calls for IndyRef again. Go for it and we'll move Wedgetail to Waddington and take the jobs away from Northern Scotland.
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Potentially massive savings by having all seven three-seveny servicing equipment, spares, personnel and training in one spot. Surprised to see opinion almost universally negative. But, hey, it’s only money!
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Well, they will have to make room for the Reds somehow..........
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As a Scottish person I have to say, it looks like the entire RAF operational orbat is being squeezed into RAF Lossiemouth, the RAF station!
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Originally Posted by Could be the last?
(Post 10950448)
Well, they will have to make room for the Reds somehow..........
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Thinking about it, I can just imagine how well the news has been received in the households of No.8 Sqdn's personnel.
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
(Post 10951096)
Thinking about it, I can just imagine how well the news has been received in the households of No.8 Sqdn's personnel.
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
(Post 10951096)
Thinking about it, I can just imagine how well the news has been received in the households of No.8 Sqdn's personnel.
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Indeed, but there may not be many brownie points to be had with OC Domestic.
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Somewhat off-track with this request but, having a couple of family friends serving with 2 Squadron at Williamtown, they and I would all like to know why the RAF E-7s are going to be known as Wedgetails in service? Since the RAAF chose the name originally to reference the Wedge-Tail Eagle, native to Australia only, we avian pedants are a little bit intrigued!
Thanks in advance, Ned |
Steamer Ned,
Perhaps because it has a name already? Not sure why it being named after an Australian thing precludes it, after all the RAF did name its first jet bomber Canberra after the aussie capital. |
"The move to Lossiemouth is possibly to give Westmonster a bit of leverage when Wee Jimmy Crankie calls for IndyRef again. Go for it and we'll move Wedgetail to Waddington and take the jobs away from Northern Scotland."
If Krankie gets her way it's a choice of losing big bucks as above or dealing with a second SBA on her manor. What percentage of the Wedgetail/Poseidon fleet could she claim was Scottish? This would be like the Ukraine claiming the Tu160's but not having the money or expertise to operate them. |
Originally Posted by Steamer Ned
(Post 10952620)
Somewhat off-track with this request but, having a couple of family friends serving with 2 Squadron at Williamtown, they and I would all like to know why the RAF E-7s are going to be known as Wedgetails in service? Since the RAAF chose the name originally to reference the Wedge-Tail Eagle, native to Australia only, we avian pedants are a little bit intrigued!
Thanks in advance, Ned I'm sure that TG12 and TG12 Officers will love the delights that Elgin has to offer... Downtoen, Joannas, Natural Spice... |
Originally Posted by Akrotiri bad boy
(Post 10952743)
"The move to Lossiemouth is possibly to give Westmonster a bit of leverage when Wee Jimmy Crankie calls for IndyRef again. Go for it and we'll move Wedgetail to Waddington and take the jobs away from Northern Scotland."
If Krankie gets her way it's a choice of losing big bucks as above or dealing with a second SBA on her manor. What percentage of the Wedgetail/Poseidon fleet could she claim was Scottish? This would be like the Ukraine claiming the Tu160's but not having the money or expertise to operate them. |
The Canberra was named as such largely because we were trying to persuade Australia to buy them for the RAAF. Never underestimate a bit of flattery.
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Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
(Post 10953186)
The Canberra was named as such largely because we were trying to persuade Australia to buy them for the RAAF. Never underestimate a bit of flattery.
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TG12 is no longer. Now all in TG7. Officers have been Air Ops Branch for some time.
Anyway, all change again in the New Year when the new “Astra Professions” are finalised. Rumour is that the “Aircrew Profession” replaces the Flying Branch and Non-Commissioned Aircrew (the latter have been Airman Aircrew and the 1946 Aircrew Scheme in the past too). I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops? There are supposed to be 10x Professions, so it is still anyone’s guess what they will be, but how they are split is still to be decided and announced. Sorry for the thread drift. :ok: |
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10953320)
TG12 is no longer. Now all in TG7. Officers have been Air Ops Branch for some time.
Anyway, all change again in the New Year when the new “Astra Professions” are finalised. Rumour is that the “Aircrew Profession” replaces the Flying Branch and Non-Commissioned Aircrew (the latter have been Airman Aircrew and the 1946 Aircrew Scheme in the past too). I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops? There are supposed to be 10x Professions, so it is still anyone’s guess what they will be, but how they are split is still to be decided and announced. Sorry for the thread drift. :ok: |
Willard Whyte - which certificate will you be trading in? You do know that the word is French for a patent, diploma or certificate:
brevet[bʀəvɛ]MASCULINE NOUN 1. (also: brevet d’invention) patent 2. (= certificat) diploma ⧫ certificate |
Originally Posted by Corporal Clott
(Post 10953543)
which certificate will you be trading in?
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Maybe we should have called it AirPeaceEagleEyeTail - a bit of everything (Turkey, South Korea, Australia). As absurd as AIRSEEKER. https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/airs...w-rivet-joint/ |
can be referred to as a brevet Turn to page 103. Here is a quick snippet: The first point that needs to be made is that flying badges are not ‘brevets’. From the mid 19th Century the British Army used the term brevet, to indicate accelerated, but unpaid, promotion in recognition of particularly notable service (as in a captain becoming a brevet major). A ’brevet’ – French for a certificate – was actually the document authorising such an advance. Its use in the context of aviation arose as a result of a number of early British aviators learning to fly at French schools where they gained the certificate – the -‘brevet’ – of the Aero Club de la France. It became common practice to refer to the equivalent Royal Aero Club Certificate, which all British pilots (including, until mid 1916, all military pilots) were required to obtain, as a brevet. Later, this was evidently (mis)understood by some non-Francophone pilots to refer to a flying badge and they have been getting it wrong ever since. Although ‘brevet’ has long been current within the crew room argot, it has never featured in authoritative documents which, until very recently (page 124 and 126) have always reflected the correct nomenclature, eg King’s and/or Queen’s Regulations, Air Ministry Orders and Defence Council Instructions. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10954235)
Airseeker is the name of the acquisition project - the name of the Aircraft remains Rivet Joint.....
https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircraft/airs...w-rivet-joint/ Still can't fathom why it takes two threads to discuss the basing of the UK's Boeing '737 Airborne Early Warning and Control System'. I expect the operators will come up with an amusing nickname. I am sure the Caledonian 'avian pedants' would prefer 'Whitetail' as it's a local eagle species. :8 |
JOCKBIRD,? or Wee Krankie....:)
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10953320)
I’d guess that Air Ops will remain the same, with maybe a bit of ‘space’ thrown into their profession title - Air & Space Ops?
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10954414)
No, no, no, that is incorrect. Under QR206 and QRJ727 it has always been a flying badge (and every previous version of KRs and QRs). The King’s and Queen’ Orders have always called them flying badges. Only those in error ever called them ‘brevets’. Have a read of Wg Cdr ‘Jeff’ Jefford’s excellent book and it explains all - a cut down version is here: https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documen...Journal-52.pdf
Turn to page 103. Here is a quick snippet: Now the error that had crept into AP1358 Ch 7 by incorrectly referring to the WSO and WSOp Flying Badge as a “Rear Crew Brevet” was also corrected by Her Majesty the Queen in Sep 19, when a new Royal Order correctly termed it the WSO and WSOp Flying Badge - RAF IBN 16/20 was released on 7 Apr 20 that also ensured the correct term ‘flying badge’ is used. Also, the awful and incorrect term ‘Rear Crew’ was dropped (some of whom had sat in front of Pilots in the Canberra and side-by-side in a number of aircraft cockpits) and the new term of ‘Mission Aircrew’ is now used. Finally, AP1358 Ch 7 was updated and any erroneous reference to ‘Rear Crew’ or ‘Brevet’ has now been removed from the AP. |
One has to ask "does it really matter"?
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Originally Posted by reds & greens
Christ, I hope I never get stood next to you in the corner at a party...
Originally Posted by Asturias56
One has to ask "does it really matter"?
When PPRuNe becomes an official 'AP' I might start caring. |
That has already happened in April 2020. TG9 and TG12 were merged to become TG7 and renamed Air and Space Operations. |
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