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NutLoose 3rd Sep 2020 12:26

HMS Queen Elizabeth to exercise with a full deck
 
2 Squadrons of F-35 ( One US Marines) and a full heli complement

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-...-for-exercise/

Bill Macgillivray 3rd Sep 2020 19:34

There once was a time when, with all due respect, there would have been insufficient space for more than a couple of visiting, non-Brit, aircraft on any of our carriers !! Days long gone, I guess!!

Bill

Martin the Martian 4th Sep 2020 09:26

USMC F-35s due at Marham this evening, apparently.

Tashengurt 4th Sep 2020 10:10


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian (Post 10878251)
USMC F-35s due at Marham this evening, apparently.

I think they arrived yesterday?

chopper2004 4th Sep 2020 13:42


Originally Posted by Tashengurt (Post 10878287)
I think they arrived yesterday?

yes they did here are my photos of Wake Island Avengers first batch arriving in semi good light.

cheers


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....45aca3283.jpeg
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Not_a_boffin 4th Sep 2020 16:41

Six cabs from 820 NAS embarked Thursday night, ship sails 15:30 Monday.

CU going to be mighty quiet for a bit....

ORAC 18th Sep 2020 06:39

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/de...ailing-2974985

More crew on HMS Queen Elizabeth test positive for Covid-19 ahead of planned Friday sailing

sandiego89 18th Sep 2020 13:22


Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin (Post 10878516)
Six cabs from 820 NAS embarked Thursday night, ship sails 15:30 Monday.

CU going to be mighty quiet for a bit....

Curious, do you know if 820 landed on the ship while it was pierside? Would have thought they would fly out while the ship was at sea.

Not_a_boffin 18th Sep 2020 13:45

They landed on while pierside. SOP would be to embark once at sea, but then it's all a tad odd at the minute with C-19 etc. Given she's still alongside (leaving over this weekend) they've had some time to fettle the cabs.

SLXOwft 18th Sep 2020 13:53


Originally Posted by sandiego89 (Post 10887929)
Curious, do you know if 820 landed on the ship while it was pierside? Would have thought they would fly out while the ship was at sea.

Well according to 820's twitter account they are on board and @QNLZ sailing has been delayed due to the strong easterly winds - so, yes. landed on in harbour. (Delay is sensible IMHO - USS Eisenhower was once damaged entering Norfolk when blown into a bulkcarrier which was sitting at anchor). 800 & 801 NASs did it with SHARs:ok: along with multiple Seakings onto much smaller decks.

There are two 824 and four 820 Merlins plus air and ground crew according to Cornwall live.

Trust the RN photographer doesn't mind me pinching this.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bf70bbf83d.jpg


(Crossed with N_a_B)

Fareastdriver 18th Sep 2020 15:12

Tzu-hsi used to run China from behind a curtain.

ORAC 19th Sep 2020 05:45

Bamboo?............

woptb 19th Sep 2020 06:52

Being as matelot officers are whacked on the head with mallet to get them to sea,this shouldn’t be at all surprising.

Mogwi 19th Sep 2020 16:15

In the old days, 'twas not unusual to find a wren behind a curtain.

Oops, sorry.

Finningley Boy 20th Sep 2020 11:33

I notice some of the American "Leatherneck" F-35s have vivid colour markings. I had resigned myself to the belief, given that all F-35s A, B and C are all done up in various shades of Grey, including service and unit markings, that this kind of freedom of expression was deemed not suitable perhaps for operational reasons?

FB

Union Jack 20th Sep 2020 22:59


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10887960)
Anything |Navy is odd, its just the way they are, here is another Navy officer drawing the curtains on her career..

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/de...ce=parsely-api

So very unlike you to make such a graceless post, Nutty, quite apart from the fact that your comment is totally unconnected to the thread - I'm genuinely surprised at you and seriously suggest you reconsider its inclusion.

Jack

JENKINS 22nd Sep 2020 17:21

Interesting photograph in Telegraph of sailors on deck of carrier as, I imagine, she finally left Portsmouth with a full deck. Barely a second required for assessment of photograph.

WE Branch Fanatic 22nd Sep 2020 19:23


Originally Posted by JENKINS (Post 10890438)
Interesting photograph in Telegraph of sailors on deck of carrier as, I imagine, she finally left Portsmouth with a full deck. Barely a second required for assessment of photograph.

Six Merlin HM2 (820 NAS) and Two Merlin HC4.

In the old days, the Invincible class CVS normally operated nine ASW Sea Kings, but one of these was kept at readiness for SAR, and they also had to do things like VERTREP. After 2000, the Sea Kings were replaced by Merlins, with a Sea King doing utility and SAR tasks. These days many of the SAR and utility taskings can be done by embarked Jungly HC4s, leaving the Merlin HM2 to concentrate on ASW. It has a greater range and endurance (five hours) than the old Sea King (about four hours) or indeed other current ASW helicopter types such as the MH-60R or the NH90.

Additionally the carrier will direct the helicopters carried by other task group ships - including more Merlins.

These two snippets from a recent discussion with the Commons' committee may interest you:



SLXOwft 22nd Sep 2020 19:24

Yes, I believe she left around 1600 BST yesterday squeezing through the harbour entrance with six Merlins on deck. So not strictly a full deck but I am sure Procedure Alpha will have been observed.

@ShaunRoster's drone camera video of departure can be seen on his twitter page or @HMSQNLZ


Lightning (IIs) left RAF Marham today Lightning jets take off from RAF Marham to join HMS Queen Elizabeth for major exercise

JENKINS 23rd Sep 2020 13:41

My assessment earlier concerned the uniform and the stance of the 'sailors' photographed.

Video Mixdown 23rd Sep 2020 15:04


Originally Posted by JENKINS (Post 10891014)
My assessment earlier concerned the uniform and the stance of the 'sailors' photographed.

What on earth are you going on about?

Not_a_boffin 23rd Sep 2020 15:11


Fourteen jets and a couple of helos on deck and you run out of space fairly quickly. There's a reason she's a biggun.....

Cat Techie 23rd Sep 2020 22:52

Shame it is not an air wing. Of British aircraft. When will we be getting what we wanted to order?

heights good 23rd Sep 2020 23:06


Originally Posted by Cat Techie (Post 10891310)
Shame it is not an air wing. Of British aircraft. When will we be getting what we wanted to order?

Some time around Two thousand and never.... :p

Minnie Burner 24th Sep 2020 08:50


Originally Posted by Union Jack (Post 10889398)
So very unlike you to make such a graceless post, Nutty, quite apart from the fact that your comment is totally unconnected to the thread - I'm genuinely surprised at you and seriously suggest you reconsider its inclusion.

Jack

​​​​​​

Nutty's post is on topic and makes perfect sense, Jack. It's all about whether or not the Navy are playing with a full deck.

pulse1 24th Sep 2020 09:27

Those Yanks need to guard their aircraft while on a British carrier. I once spent an evening with an ex US Marine Phantom pilot who once landed on a British carrier because of a problem. As you can imagine he was well entertained in a fashion not possible on US ships and, the next morning, found that his aircraft had been suitably drafted into the Royal Navy.

FODPlod 24th Sep 2020 11:22


Originally Posted by Union Jack (Post 10889398)
So very unlike you to make such a graceless post, Nutty, quite apart from the fact that your comment is totally unconnected to the thread - I'm genuinely surprised at you and seriously suggest you reconsider its inclusion.

Jack


Originally Posted by Minnie Burner (Post 10891493)
​​​​​​Nutty's post is on topic and makes perfect sense, Jack. It's all about whether or not the Navy are playing with a full deck.

Oh, fair enough.

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/raf-officer-faces-court-martial-2967101?

NutLoose 24th Sep 2020 15:05

Apologies Jack, just saw your post and agree, a bit of drift there...... so have removed it. :)

salad-dodger 24th Sep 2020 15:56


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10891702)
Apologies Jack, just saw your post and agree, a bit of drift there...... so have removed it. :)

and a bit of a wimpy reply. He didn’t pull you up for thread drift. He pulled you up for what looked like a pretty weak attempt at humour, describing it as graceless!

twothree 24th Sep 2020 17:07


Originally Posted by pulse1 (Post 10891518)
Those Yanks need to guard their aircraft while on a British carrier. I once spent an evening with an ex US Marine Phantom pilot who once landed on a British carrier because of a problem. As you can imagine he was well entertained in a fashion not possible on US ships and, the next morning, found that his aircraft had been suitably drafted into the Royal Navy.

You mean this one !

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....510fa7f481.jpg

SLXOwft 24th Sep 2020 19:36

All is fair in love and cross decking,

I'm sure someone willl be along shortly with photos of USN altered FG1s. ;) (please)

gzornenplatz 24th Sep 2020 20:03

1976
 
I'm sure many will remember 1976 when the USN F4s had 1776 -1976 proudly emblazoned on their fins (vertical stabilisers - OK?)
892's F4s had 876-1976 on theirs. (about the time King Alf started the
Navy, no not 892, Brian)
This was not understood by the cousins.

West Coast 25th Sep 2020 01:11


Originally Posted by SLXOwft (Post 10891842)
All is fair in love and cross decking,

I'm sure someone willl be along shortly with photos of USN altered FG1s. ;) (please)


Ot the Tornado (I think) that left a sleepy desert USAF base in Nevada with some new art on it.

John Eacott 25th Sep 2020 04:20


Originally Posted by SLXOwft (Post 10891842)
All is fair in love and cross decking,

I'm sure someone willl be along shortly with photos of USN altered FG1s. ;) (please)

Here you are :ok:


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6712f7616a.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c63e1b1bda.jpg

John Eacott 25th Sep 2020 04:40


Originally Posted by twothree (Post 10891763)

One of a series of photos I took, so here's the dit :cool:

We were operating in the Med and cross-decked with USS Forrestal, but like all good things it came to an end and we brought our toys home to Mother and tried sending theirs back. Unfortunately 207 repeatedly went U/S and things became dire as we were due into Grand Harbour where Dom Mintoff, Malta's PM, had declared all things military associated with the USA to be unwelcome. A last attempt to launch 207 failed so it was rapidly dispatched to the lower hangar before we entered harbour.

All was well, and the US Marine crew thoroughly enjoyed the benefits of being on a warship which allowed grown men to consume alcohol. After the usual Cocker's P, visits from local dignitaries, etc, it was deemed safe to bring 207 up from the Buccaneer hangar into the upper hangar where the 892NAS team could work on the snags. Somewhere along the way the odd 892 sticker zaps became a better idea of a complete repaint on the fin.

This became quite handy when ground runs were required, as all USMC markings were covered with brown paper and the tail seemed quite enough to allow runs on deck, noise to Valletta residents notwithstanding.

Came time to leave harbour and the first call was to Flying Stations, launch the VMFA-531 F4 regardless of servicability. Off it went back to Forrestal where Cdr Bill Quirk, CO of 531, was so taken with the zap that he kept it all the way home and launched to lead his squadron with one of the best zaps of its time :ok:

A few more images, including one when I went over to Forrestal to pick up our maintenance guys and return (some) of theirs!



https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....faf2de3194.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....70cb4d90b9.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....da021566dc.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4675b137fc.jpg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f5ebc2c2b1.jpg



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f6e825fc1e.jpg

dead_pan 25th Sep 2020 07:39

Great story + pics John! :ok:

FODPlod 25th Sep 2020 08:50

...and then there were 15 (plus 8 helos).

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1f500b3328.jpg

TBM-Legend 25th Sep 2020 11:13

A CAG of 14 jets plus some helos is not much compared to 60+ cabs on USN or even the old RN. Why are they saying its a big fleet then?

Video Mixdown 25th Sep 2020 11:45


Originally Posted by TBM-Legend (Post 10892212)
A CAG of 14 jets plus some helos is not much compared to 60+ cabs on USN or even the old RN. Why are they saying its a big fleet then?

That's not what they're saying at all. They're saying "HMSQNLZ embarked the largest air group of 5th generation fighters yet put to sea anywhere in the world." Are you suggesting it's not true?

stilton 25th Sep 2020 13:13


Originally Posted by John Eacott (Post 10891994)
One of a series of photos I took, so here's the dit :cool:

We were operating in the Med and cross-decked with USS Forrestal, but like all good things it came to an end and we brought our toys home to Mother and tried sending theirs back. Unfortunately 207 repeatedly went U/S and things became dire as we were due into Grand Harbour where Dom Mintoff, Malta's PM, had declared all things military associated with the USA to be unwelcome. A last attempt to launch 207 failed so it was rapidly dispatched to the lower hangar before we entered harbour.

All was well, and the US Marine crew thoroughly enjoyed the benefits of being on a warship which allowed grown men to consume alcohol. After the usual Cocker's P, visits from local dignitaries, etc, it was deemed safe to bring 207 up from the Buccaneer hangar into the upper hangar where the 892NAS team could work on the snags. Somewhere along the way the odd 892 sticker zaps became a better idea of a complete repaint on the fin.

This became quite handy when ground runs were required, as all USMC markings were covered with brown paper and the tail seemed quite enough to allow runs on deck, noise to Valletta residents notwithstanding.

Came time to leave harbour and the first call was to Flying Stations, launch the VMFA-531 F4 regardless of servicability. Off it went back to Forrestal where Cdr Bill Quirk, CO of 531, was so taken with the zap that he kept it all the way home and launched to lead his squadron with one of the best zaps of its time :ok:

A few more images, including one when I went over to Forrestal to pick up our maintenance guys and return (some) of theirs!



https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....faf2de3194.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....70cb4d90b9.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....da021566dc.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4675b137fc.jpg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f5ebc2c2b1.jpg



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f6e825fc1e.jpg


There were hangars on two decks ?


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