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blind pew 14th Aug 2020 02:17

Port
 
Probably goes way back in time. Ships docked on the port side because the steering oar was on the starboard side..German backbord and steurer bord. The island would hinder loading so was stuck on the right hand side. Simples.
If the veering left theory held water then it would have to be reversed in the southern hemisphere due to the coriolis effect.

misd-agin 14th Aug 2020 02:26

..........

Ex FSO GRIFFO 14th Aug 2020 02:52

Is that why I keep goin' around and around in circles.....?

Me 'Coriolis' has a lot to answer for.....


skycap 14th Aug 2020 03:47

Aircraft carriers dock with Starboard side to

capngrog 14th Aug 2020 04:11

It may have been because most American aircraft engines rotated right-hand, looking form the cockpit, which at low airspeed and high power, would induce a torque roll to the left ... away from the aircraft carrier "island". I can't explain British carriers, which had to handle engines rotating to the left, but, then again, the British drive on the wrong side of the road ... or sumthin'.:)

Cheers,
Grog


reefrat 14th Aug 2020 05:17

When driving a ship you are required to "give way to the right" meaning that any vessel approaching you from the right hand side has right of way. It therefore makes sense that the driver is on the right side,(Starboard side) to see any stand on vessels. Carriers may perhaps follow this principal

blind pew 14th Aug 2020 06:05

IIRC
 
This excludes lighthouses ;-)

dead_pan 14th Aug 2020 07:54

Because the planes would crash into them if they were on the left.

Fareastdriver 14th Aug 2020 09:16


It may have been because most American aircraft engines rotated right-hand, looking form the cockpit,
That is because the Americans bolted their propeller on to the back of the engine and turned it around whereas the Brits bolted theirs to the front.

XL189 14th Aug 2020 09:33

The answer is simple.

The island is on the right side.
If it wasn't on the right side it would be the wrong side!

:ugh:

I'll get my coat....

ivor toolbox 14th Aug 2020 15:41


Originally Posted by lexxity (Post 2534137)
What I want to know is why is the Navy also called the Andrew?:confused: :confused:

Not even the Navy know that

https://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explo...the%20nickname.

Union Jack 14th Aug 2020 19:11


Originally Posted by reefrat (Post 10860546)
When driving a ship you are required to "give way to the right" meaning that any vessel approaching you from the right hand side has right of way. It therefore makes sense that the driver is on the right side,(Starboard side) to see any stand on vessels. Carriers may perhaps follow this principal (sic)

Quite amusing to see all the theories projected in a 14 year old thread until finally Reefrat comes up so quickly with the simple answer that would have made most sense to the senior officers who would have dictated the requirement in the design of the first purpose-built aircraft carriers, and could or would not have been aviators themselves in that era. The captain's sea cabin in virtually every reasonably large power-driven vessel is on the starboard side for precisely that reason so that, when called up by the officer of the watch regarding a close quarters navigational situation, they can if necessary look out and promptly see for themselves what's what on the "danger" side.

All the aviation related theories, however technically commendable, are therefore very much downstream.

I would also suggest that, contrary to Ivor's suggestion, the Andrew Miller connotation is fairly widely known in the Royal Navy.

Jack

John Eacott 14th Aug 2020 21:49


Originally Posted by Union Jack (Post 10861183)
Quite amusing to see all the theories projected in a 14 year old thread until finally Reefrat comes up so quickly with the simple answer that would have made most sense to the senior officers who would have dictated the requirement in the design of the first purpose-built aircraft carriers, and could or would not have been aviators themselves in that era. The captain's sea cabin in virtually every reasonably large power-driven vessel is on the starboard side for precisely that reason so that, when called up by the officer of the watch regarding a close quarters navigational situation, they can if necessary look out and promptly see for themselves what's what on the "danger" side.

All the aviation related theories, however technically commendable, are therefore very much downstream.

I would also suggest that, contrary to Ivor's suggestion, the Andrew Miller connotation is fairly widely known in the Royal Navy.

Jack

Back in a post in April 2006 I linked to the USN History site with the same explanation of the island location.

Still to be referenced on page 18, along with fascinating mention of electric powered ships earlier in the article :hmm:

langleybaston 14th Aug 2020 21:59

Captain Coriolis Mandolin is a left hand plucker.

Finningley Boy 15th Aug 2020 02:30

If the island was on the left someone would ask why it wasn't on the right!

FB

megan 15th Aug 2020 03:42


It may have been because most American aircraft engines rotated right-hand, looking form the cockpit, which at low airspeed and high power, would induce a torque roll to the left ... away from the aircraft carrier "island"
As did the Merlin, the Griffon, which was designed/built at the request of the Royal Navy, rotated in the opposite direction, but that can be explained by the Society of British Aircraft Constructors in the late 1930's establishing guidelines including the direction of propeller rotation. Most British engines seemed to have the Griffon direction of rotation, wonder why the Merlin was an odd man out.

As to why the island is where it is seems to fall into the Royal Navy's lap. The first purpose designed carrier ever was HMS Hermes, initially it was designed to have an island on both sides with a full length deck running between them. The result of flight trials on the Eagle and Argus prompted a design change for the island to be placed to starboard, the reason given in texts being pilots preferred to turn to port if overshooting, the standard left hand circuit and having a clear view of the deck on downwind would be my assumption as well. The aircraft embarked on the Hermes, Fairey Flycatcher fighters and Fairey IIID, had the same rotation as the Griffon, so torque effects don't seem to have been a consideration.

https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/UK/ww1/hms-hermes

NutLoose 15th Aug 2020 12:59

The first purpose built carrier.


Construction was suspended after Hermes was launched in September 1919 as the Admiralty awaited the results of flight trials with Eagle and Argus. Her design was modified in March 1920 with an island superstructure and funnel to starboard, and the forward catapult was removed.[5]The logic behind placing the island to starboard was that pilots generally preferred to turn to port when recovering from an aborted landing.[6] A prominent tripod mast was added to house the fire-control systems for her guns.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hermes_(95)

Ascend Charlie 16th Aug 2020 06:27

Aeroplanes keep to the left, as do cars in any civilised country, so the island had to be on the right. The Cousins copied the design before realising that their cars had the wheel on the wrong side, too late mate.

Wensleydale 16th Aug 2020 07:28

I suppose that much depends upon when the left hand circuit became standard practise. If it was in place before the advent of the aircraft carrier then it would be common sense to place the island where a pilot could see the "runway" at all times during the circuit - hence the island on the right.

pr00ne 16th Aug 2020 09:03

After initially deciding to build the island in the middle, they had a change of heart and plumped for the right...


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