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tony draper 22nd Apr 2006 22:59

We should buy 50 of those B 52's the cousins have got stashed in the desert,we wudden need no dammed carriers then,one can put a bit of stick about anywhere in the world with 50 B 52's.
Prolly get then for a good price as well.

:rolleyes:

ORAC 22nd Apr 2006 23:03

Unfortunately, all but a handful were cut up for saucepans as a part of SALT II. The remainder needed to provide enought airframes to last till 2038, the fleet retirement date. (They won't at their present usage, which is why a new bomber is now a very high priority for about 2018-2020...)

airship 22nd Apr 2006 23:05

That's right Drapes. And cheaper than building 2 French-designed aircraft carriers of our own... :ok:

ORAC, hehe, making saucepans out of aircraft. And to think that 55 years ago they were doing just the opposite...?!

tony draper 22nd Apr 2006 23:09

One has mentioned on many occasions one thinks the Concorde would have made a spiffing bomber ,no great modification needed,our new generation of nukes are so small now that the pilot could just open his window and fling the buggah out over the target.
:rolleyes:

benhurr 22nd Apr 2006 23:18

3 pages and the answer is....


we don't know.

con-pilot 22nd Apr 2006 23:19


the pilot could just open his window and fling the buggah out over the target.
Well that worked in the movie "Airport 4 the Concorde" (at least I think was 4) when Kennedy opened the window and fired a flare gun.

God, what a stupid movie.:yuk:

Unwell_Raptor 22nd Apr 2006 23:33

I was once invited for a drink on HM Narrowboat Andrew when she was moored near Rugby. A plaque in the saloon said that Lt. Andrew commanded the first-ever Press Gang. The service has retained the name on the assumption that nobody would join voluntarily.

tony draper 23rd Apr 2006 00:00

One has a excellent book on the history of the Press Gang,there's a lot of mythology associated the name Press Gang,the idea that they rushed through the street nabbing people willy nilly is just myth, what the RN needed were experienced seafarers so mosty they raided Merchant Ships,and the places merchant seamen lurked, grog shops brothels,church meetings and such, a lot of British sea farers buggad off and joined American vessels after the cousins had that rebellion of theirs,apparently the pay was much better, the cousins were ok at herding cattle shooting Indians and the like, but as sailors they was ****e, ergo Brit sailors were in great demand,so Royal Navy ships used to stop American Vessels on the high seas and pinch the chaps back,started our second scuffle with the cousins that did, the War of 1812.
:cool:

ThreadBaron 23rd Apr 2006 01:25

FSL

Me old man's last ship, the escort carrier HMS Chaser, with island.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...on/0301001.jpg

PPRuNe Radar 23rd Apr 2006 02:01


A guess, but it's probably something to do with the fact that most pilots prefer to fly left hand circuits, also they will automatically turn left to avoid something.
Rules of the air say you always turn right to avoid a collision ... sorry ;)

EAL747 23rd Apr 2006 02:12

Torque & P Factor
 
ORAC is correct. The Island is on the right because of the propeller airplane's tendency to go left with power added. The earliest carrier, USS Langley CV1, lay all its stacks and antennas horizontal to clear the deck for flight ops. When not in flight ops, stacks & antenna were vertical. After Langley came the standard island on the right on all carriers. Only a few were built with no island at all; USS Long Island pops into my mind as one. I operated on USS Lexington CV 16 and USS BonHommeRichard CV31 before departing for Eastern.

John Eacott 23rd Apr 2006 05:06

An answer.....
 

Originally Posted by FakePilot
Kinda of on the same topic, but I've seen a line of booms extending about the deck width to the right in some pictures. What were these for?

HF antennae. Really, really annoying to find them "up" at night when they were supposed to be neatly down and out of the way....:rolleyes:

AA,

Aft facing landings were (still are?) always an option for helo ops on CVA's. As long as the wind over the deck gave a downwind component for a normal approach, we'd come to a hover ahead of the boat and let it come to us: sort of!

There is a set of documents on the US Navy History site, here which gives a reason for the island on the starboard side, under the Langley paper:


At first, it was planned that this deck would be completely free of obstruction, and so it was in the Langley. But in the Sara and Lex, this view changed in favor of an island placed on the starboard side. This side was selected for the island’s location because it provided a better view of buoy markers in narrow channels. It also facilitated left-hand turns which pilots preferred, owing to the torque of the turning propeller. The island design offered the only practical solution to problems predicated by smoke discharge, navigation, fire control, and communications.

green granite 23rd Apr 2006 08:21


Originally Posted by PPRuNe Radar
Rules of the air say you always turn right to avoid a collision ... sorry ;)

I was'nt actually talking about other air craft, I was suggesting that,
as was noted by pilots in WW2, most pilots aoutomaticaly broke left when fired on from behind. A fact used to advantage by the more astute fighter pilots.


But your comment does point out another reason for the having the bridge on the right, the rules of the road dictate that a vessel shall
give way to one crossing her track from the right hand side so the bridge
being on the right makes sense from that point of view

benhurr 23rd Apr 2006 10:16

The aircraft having a tendency to turn to the right because of the propellor wouldn't really be valid. (Not all aircraft have clockwise props)

If they turn right when power is added (take-off) then they would turn left when power is reduced (landing).

Seeing bouys in narrow channels would make sense if you always had to pass to the left of them and giving way to ships on the right would also make sense.

I thought there would be a very good reason why all nationalities build them the same.

G-CPTN 23rd Apr 2006 13:25

My experience has been that whenever I ask a 'stupid' question, there is a sensible, logical answer.

Onan the Clumsy 23rd Apr 2006 13:33


It also facilitated left-hand turns which pilots preferred, owing to the torque of the turning propeller
So the Russian ones are on the left then :8

damn, someone got there before me :(

Double Zero 19th May 2006 05:13


Originally Posted by Davaar
I have read of its being done at anchor in the RN, certainly with Seafires (one went in and killed the pilot) and I believe with Seahawks.

I rather doubt it...my father was at Salerno on an Escort carrier; there was no wind, and the ship going flat out at 17kn was not good enough for the Seafires. Within a day or two most of the squadron was wrecked in landing accidents, no enemy action !

stilton 14th Aug 2020 00:50

Why do Aircraft Carriers have the Island on the right ?
 
Obviously it had to be placed on one side or the other, any particular reason they’ve always been built on the right side ?

flyinkiwi 14th Aug 2020 01:40

Only two carriers were constructed with the island on the left. Both were Japanese of WW2 vintage, the Hiryu and the Akagi. Every one before and since has been on the right.

tdracer 14th Aug 2020 02:00

I read somewhere that there is a natural tendency for pilots to 'veer left', so putting the island on the right gave them less to run into if they missed a wire while landing.


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