The BHR is a Wasp class LHD - the class totalled 8 vessels.
They are being replaced by the America class LHA's of which there are 2 completed , one building and 8 more on order. Most of these will be like the 3rd vessel Bougainville with a well deck which was not installed on the first two, Far better to order an extra LHA I'd have thought - the BHR is well over 20 years old |
The third of the America class Bougainville isn't due until 2024.and the contract for long lead items on the fourth was only signed in May this year. So it would be a very long wait for a twelfth.
The America Class were initially orded to replace the 5 Tarawa Class ships and are based on the design of USS Makin Island the last of the Wasp Class (which entered service in 2009). AFAIKtwo Tarawa Class ships are in reserve Peleliu only since 2015 so she might be a gap fill option. As an aside I am sure others here may remember being told that, with nothing to inhibit free surface effect, 3 inches of water on the main hangar deck of the Mighty Ark or Big E could have caused capsize. |
Footage of helo firefighting effort - dropping (and often missing) with thimbles of water:
What they need is a CL-415 doing circuits in the harbour... |
A friend had a job once which involved observing (physically watching) ANY hazardous work (e.g. grinding or welding etc.) on a ship undergoing maintainance in port.
He couldn't believe what he was seeing once when a guy was grinding at a high level and stood on a 20 litre drum of thinners to reach the desired height... |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 10837134)
Footage of helo firefighting effort - dropping (and often missing) with thimbles of water:
https://youtu.be/D1gmLgZ_bT0 What they need is a CL-415 doing circuits in the harbour... |
POI Melting point of Carbon Steel is around 2500-2800º F or 1371-1540º C I didn't pick up what unit the 1000º was big difference F or C.
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The ship is toast but it looks like they got the fire out. No more smoke.
Cool thing and respect. |
Originally Posted by SLXOwft
(Post 10837132)
As an aside I am sure others here may remember being told that, with nothing to inhibit free surface effect, 3 inches of water on the main hangar deck of the Mighty Ark or Big E could have caused capsize.
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Still burning
I live in San Diego although a good distance away from the Naval Base. Local news reports are that the fire is still burning. When I went outside this morning at around 8 am, there was a distinct smell of burnt plastic in the air.
Here's a report from our local Channel 8 news updated at 12:30 pm today https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/lo...9-ed37a99f494a |
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...nhomme-richard
Navy Says At Least One Fire Continues To Burn On The USS Bonhomme Richard U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Philip Sobeck, head of Expeditionary Strike Group Three, says that the USS Bonhomme Richard is stable and structurally safe despite a still ongoing fire onboard the Wasp class amphibious assault ship. The vessel has now been burning continuously for more than 48 hours now and has produced sustained temperatures of at least 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit in some areas......The key new details from this latest press conference are: ...
Still, the pictures that have already emerged online show significant internal damage, as well as to the flight deck and superstructure. It will take the Navy a not-insignificant amount of time to just conduct a full damage assessment..... |
ORAC, nice PowerPoint Bullet Points but the ship is f**ked.
I hope there's a damn good inquiry in to how this happned and not just a white wash; "Hot Works means we turn off Fire Supression." That's just not a good enough excuse anymore. Contractors - dodgy tools - don't give a monkey's - Notre-Dame... |
Originally Posted by gileraguy
(Post 10837169)
A friend had a job once which involved observing (physically watching) ANY hazardous work (e.g. grinding or welding etc.) on a ship undergoing maintainance in port.
He couldn't believe what he was seeing once when a guy was grinding at a high level and stood on a 20 litre drum of thinners to reach the desired height... |
Article: https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20..._source=clavis"The amphibious assault ship Bonhomme Richard, which burned through the night while in port in San Diego, was at the tail end of two years of upgrades supporting the integration of the F-35B, according to Navy documents.That means the Navy will now have fewer options to deploy the next-generation fighter in the Pacific. The Navy awarded the $219 million modernization contract to General Dynamics, National Steel and Shipbuilding Co. in 2018, which had options for up to $250 million. Bonhomme Richard is one of four large-deck amphibs to have received the upgrades. The Boxer was announced earlier this year as the fifth big-deck to get the upgrades. Experts said the loss of Bonhomme Richard, whether a total loss or just lost for extensive repairs, deals a significant blow to the Navy’s plans to have F-35Bs continually deployed in the Pacific. And with Monday’s announcement that the United States had formally rejected China’s claims about the South China Sea, any accompanying boost in naval presence could be slowed by the fire. The Navy’s deployment model is based on having permanent forward presence in vital regions, such as the Indo-Pacific and the Middle East. To accomplish that, the service needs enough ships to support one forward on deployment, one in an elevated status of readiness to surge in an emergency, one in maintenance and one in pre-deployment workups. In other words, in an ideal world the Navy would have at least four ships to have one of them always on deployment. But with longer overhauls, such as the F-35B upgrades, it might require five ships to make one forward." ---------------------- What chance that after the USMC do their workup training later this year on HMS Queen Elizabeth - or after the CSG 21 deployment - and then start lobbying their corner on future requirements - that the USA gives the UK an offer too good to refuse for HMS Prince of Wales - buy, loan or exchange for a bunch of "free" F-35s ! |
You could get a few F-22s for the price of the British carriers.
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Photo montage of the fire fighting.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...nhomme-richard Photos: The battle to save the USS Bonhomme Richard https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....47cc7f7cb.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....084c32054.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b63e70edc.jpeg |
Originally Posted by SLXOwft
(Post 10837199)
POI Melting point of Carbon Steel is around 2500-2800º F or 1371-1540º C I didn't pick up what unit the 1000º was big difference F or C.
The ship is toast.....well done toast at that. |
"AFAIKtwo Tararawa Class ships are in reserve Peleliuonly since 2015 so she might be a gap fill option."
Yes Nassau LHA4 has been in reserves since 2011 and Peleliu LHA5 only since 2015 - Peleliu is only a few years older than BHR and could probably be reactivated for a small part of the time & cost of a rebuild . Even though they weren't a great success as a class she could operate Harriers and fill a gap if they feel they need to. |
What chances an unwelcome visitor among the onboard contractors?
Fire starting in an unoccupied storage area with lots of cardboard pallets and other combustibles? Significant F35 capability downgraded in the Pacific? Anyone recently left the country? There are some bigger questions here. IG |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 10837134)
Footage of helo firefighting effort - dropping (and often missing) with thimbles of water ................
On the issue of "things going wrong" I recall a Fire Exercise at sea once. A smoke canister was put in a small workshop compartment to simulate a fire. I was the first on the scene but I was immediately dragged away by the Damage Control WO - me being an Engineer. What he wanted to see was how the aircrew handled it as the "fire" was right next to their Briefing Room where they were all sat. I'd just finished my morning Engineering Brief to the Crews so was closest the door/"fire" waiting to head off to the Flight Deck once the Brief was over. Smoke poured out from a vent while the guys (no gals involved on that day) sorted themselves out and started rigging hoses etc, etc, etc. I stood with the DC WO idly watching the fun. I then suddenly noticed the smoke was slowly turning from white to black so I nudged the WO and pointed it out - at which point he had a bit of an "Oh, bother!" moment - next pipe "Fire, Fire, Fire - Fire in 2XYZ, Standing Sea Fire Party close up at 2WXY! This is NOT an exercise!". Unfortunately the lad setting the smoke canister up for the WO decided to hide the canister in a small store area off the workshop to make it more difficult to find the seat of the "fire". Took a little while to put the real fire out - and I can vouch for it that cans of paint burn with black smoke!!! It made a bit of a mess in 4 adjacent compartments too. Owch!!!! :eek: |
Originally Posted by gileraguy
(Post 10837169)
A friend had a job once which involved observing (physically watching) ANY hazardous work (e.g. grinding or welding etc.) on a ship undergoing maintainance in port.
He couldn't believe what he was seeing once when a guy was grinding at a high level and stood on a 20 litre drum of thinners to reach the desired height... To quote Barnes Wallis " it's hard to make things fool-proof as the fools are so damn clever at finding a way round any precautions" I've seen a worker hitting a stuck valve with a hammer beside an open orifice - had he succeed there was 10,000 psi gas ready to cut him in half - that was an hour after a safety briefing. I've seen someone refuel a small petrol engine which was red hot while it was still running by pouring petrol into the tank on top of the engine without even a funnel, I've seen someone place an open box of detonators on top of a pile of explosives on a small boat right next to the boarding point where people often jumped into the boat............. I of course have done nothing so stupid...... :rolleyes: |
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