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HAS59 9th Jul 2021 03:26

Nicknames
 
and ... with the possible exception of the Huey, can't you see just how silly they are?

chopper2004 23rd Oct 2022 17:07

Head to Head with Hind
 
Whiskey ACM against Hind
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-an-mi-24-hind


cheers

SASless 23rd Oct 2022 17:29

ACM.....looked more like some formation flying and some photo opportunities.

Now equip both sets of aircraft with simulated weapons as used in Aggressor Training for the FJ's to include on the Door Guns and you would have my full attention.

Memory serves me the USAF shot down a US Army Blackhawk (maybe two) in Iraq using F-15's.

212man 23rd Oct 2022 17:35


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11318657)
ACM.....looked more like some formation flying and some photo opportunities.

Now equip both sets of aircraft with simulated weapons as used in Aggressor Training for the FJ's to include on the Door Guns and you would have my full attention.

Memory serves me the USAF shot down a US Army Blackhawk (maybe two) in Iraq using F-15's.

Yes - 2. Mistaken for Hinds. Killed a bunch of pax too.

chevvron 23rd Oct 2022 17:40


Originally Posted by HAS59 (Post 11075287)
The US Army had it right when they named their helicopters after American First Nation tribes.
The US Air Force, bless them, will insist on giving their aircraft silly nicknames, often ignoring the official 'reporting name'.
This is just the latest - taken to the ultimate level of stupidity by making an annoying and often confusing nickname into an official designation.
I could cite several examples but the informed audience need no reminding of them.
Don't their armed forces branches ever consult each other?

Don't forget there was another 'Blackhawk', it being the Sikorsky S 67, so the H 60 family should be the 'Blackhawk 11'.

chevvron 23rd Oct 2022 17:54


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 11073675)
Perhaps the UK. MoD might look hard at the new improved Black Hawk as a replacement for the antique Pumas.

Hard to beat success....a concept foreign to the MoD when it comes to buying off. the shelf aircraft.

I seem to recall Westland's trying to set up production of the Blackhawk at Yeovil in the mid '80s together with a re-engined UK version called the WS70; a provisional order of 88 aircraft were signed for by Saudi Arabia and just 2 aircraft were assembled and flown, one with Rolls Royce engines but lack of government funding as the EH101 was being developed meant the project just died.
Anyway what was wrong with the Westland W30?

Lonewolf_50 23rd Oct 2022 22:12


Originally Posted by HAS59 (Post 11075287)
The US Army had it right when they named their helicopters after American First Nation tribes.
The US Air Force, bless them, will insist on giving their aircraft silly nicknames, often ignoring the official 'reporting name'.
This is just the latest - taken to the ultimate level of stupidity by making an annoying and often confusing nickname into an official designation.
I could cite several examples but the informed audience need no reminding of them.
Don't their armed forces branches ever consult each other?

It's worth saying over a year later:



Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11318660)
Yes - 2. Mistaken for Hinds. Killed a bunch of pax too.

Some of them were from allied nations and part of the UN Missions in Northern Iraq in support of Kurds, after Desert Storm. If memory serves, 26 souls lost.

SASless 23rd Oct 2022 22:56

Admittedly the US Naval Aviation community have some nick names for their aircraft too.

One such among several is the Phrog......the Boeing Vertol CH-46.


chopper2004 30th Jan 2024 22:06

Kadena
 
33rd RQS receives theirs

https://www.kadena.af.mil/News/Artic...ove-to-kadena/


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chopper2004 10th Feb 2024 15:49

920th Rescue Wing receives theirs
 
https://www.afrc.af.mil/News/Article...ii-helicopter/

cheers

JohnDixson 13th Feb 2024 17:09

Chevvron, I heard a differing version of the WS-70 situation, but it ended with the Saudis buying standard UH-60s thru the US State Dept FMS ( Foreign Military Sales ) Program, wherein countries friendly to the US buy equipment at the same price as the US Military pays. Pretty sure that applies to spares etc as well.

Wee Weasley Welshman 13th Feb 2024 21:27

Jesus Christ is there any job that thing couldn't do in our military service? And if it couldn't then a Chinook would come in and do it instead?

4 squadrons of those would be a game changer.

WWW

charliegolf 13th Feb 2024 22:12


Originally Posted by Wee Weasley Welshman (Post 11596557)
Jesus Christ is there any job that thing couldn't do in our military service? And if it couldn't then a Chinook would come in and do it instead?

4 squadrons of those would be a game changer.

WWW

It's not Westland/Airbus/Leo/Yeovil. End of.

CG

JohnDixson 14th Feb 2024 12:59

Chopper 2004, I think all those who became aware of the wartime rescues performed by the original Jollies and their A1 escorts will cheer on the designation Jolly Green.
You know, a lot of folks have a frame of reference re pilot rescues during the Korean War created by the Bridges of Toko-Ri movie. But the fact is that the USAF also flew Sikorsky S-51s doing rescues and one of those pilots, Cliff Brown, joined the test pilot office at Sikorsky afterwards. He did perform a rescue which had some humorous aspects, such that one day after the Vietnam war was winding down, we were visited by some of the Son Tay rescue raid pilots and they came looking to meet Cliff as his rescue from Korea had created some celebrated notoriety. Will send separately.


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