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ORAC 1st Dec 2019 05:57

Boom in London - Boob in Grauniad
 
CY Typhoons in news on BBC etc for dropping a loud sonic boom over London about 4am after scramble. Following is Grauniad picture and caption......

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...c-fighter-jets

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5675122c4.jpeg


RAF Typhoons scrambled from Coningsby caused sonic booms heard across London. Photograph: Royal Air Force/AP

A_Van 1st Dec 2019 06:32

What hell those "guardians" put the picture of a Russian fighter in their article? Was it this bird that flew near London and Hertfordshire not responding to ATC comms? Panic spreading journos.....

Joe_K 1st Dec 2019 06:54

What do you expect at 06:45 on a Sunday? Intern messed up and pulled a mislabelled photo from the database. Should be rectified once a grownup wakes up.

Mr Grimsdale 1st Dec 2019 07:27

The photo has now been updated...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....93f7f0b28c.png

Mr Grimsdale 1st Dec 2019 07:29

And updated again...
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....46f7ca45db.png

Lima Juliet 1st Dec 2019 07:32

Good grief, the standard of journalism is so very poor these days... :ugh:

hunterboy 1st Dec 2019 07:48

Well, it begins with T anyway...

Asturias56 1st Dec 2019 07:48

Saturday night - no Sunday paper to produce - all the real journo's at home or in the pub.

Desk left in hands of unpaid 22 year old with a degree in Media Studies working as an intern.............................

Blackfriar 1st Dec 2019 07:51


Originally Posted by Joe_K (Post 10630084)
What do you expect at 06:45 on a Sunday? Intern messed up and pulled a mislabelled photo from the database. Should be rectified once a grownup wakes up.

There are no grown-ups in journalism any more, at any time or day of the week. Sub-editors who used to check spelling, grammar etc and sub it down to the right column inches have gone. All journalists now seem to have Masters degrees in Journalism but cannot spell, use grammar or do anything other than cut and paste others' articles or press releases. They can, however, tag it with the right info to get clicks.

treadigraph 1st Dec 2019 08:06


cut and paste others' articles or press releases
Mostly Tweets these days...

Sonic booms, eh? Wonder if that's what woke me up at 4am. Or was it just a nudge from the bladder...

WB627 1st Dec 2019 09:35

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1859a63433.jpg
Well you wouldn't expect the Russkies to answer ATC. It was the Russkies?? Isn't that a photo from the Typhoon cockpit?

Martin the Martian 1st Dec 2019 12:03

Interns or not, I would expect any media library to have a relevant photo when searched. Even Google will come up with plenty of accurate photos when searching 'RAF Typhoon' or even 'raf jet'. It takes something really special to find an image of a Russian Flanker.

BVRAAM 1st Dec 2019 12:14

My mate's been up since around 4ish this morning when all that kicked off. It woke him up.

Poor bastard. I slept in until 7.

Mike6567 1st Dec 2019 12:50

The response was extremely quick. Do these pilots sit in the cockpit waiting for an alert?
(from Twitter info: ATC lost contact at 3.50. Coningsby scrambles Typhoons at 04.00 and the boom was at 04.19)

davidevans54 1st Dec 2019 13:06

Pompous
 

Originally Posted by Lima Juliet (Post 10630105)
Good grief, the standard of journalism is so very poor these days... :ugh:

OMG its a military jet, for illustration purposes. The article was essentially accurate, nobody is bothered that they didn 't show, the exact aircraft type.

PaulH1 1st Dec 2019 13:35

They would have been on QRA duties. In their flying kit close to the aircraft which would have been connected to GPUs with all systems up and running. I don't think that the pilots would have had a choice of 3 different types of aircraft though!

Legalapproach 1st Dec 2019 13:59

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0bddeb67b1.jpg
At least they didn't use this - although the Telegraph, Mail and Express would love it

Two's in 1st Dec 2019 14:21

No wonder it was a loud sonic boom with that huge air brake sticking up like that...

malanda 1st Dec 2019 14:39

I did a TinEye search to find where that original image came from, and the only match was
https://www.businessinsider.com/nato...19-7?r=US&IR=T
Given the caption on that picture, it's an understandable mistake. (If you think the Russians do press releases when they are intercepted)

BVRAAM 1st Dec 2019 14:42

In absolute fairness, the average person wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a Typhoon or a Tornado.

scr1 1st Dec 2019 15:21

Apparently it was a ex El AL 767 on a positioning flight from Tel Aviv to the USA

https://www.timesofisrael.com/flight...medium=twitter

911slf 1st Dec 2019 15:44

I dare say that it is often necessary to go supersonic when intercepting something cruising at around M 0.8. Given the amount of fuss this generated, does anyone seriously believe there is an acceptable level of sonic boom from a business jet? I have heard it stated that with some designs under some circumstances it would be no louder than a car door slamming. That would certainly arouse comment from half my neighbours if it happened at 04:00.

Auxtank 1st Dec 2019 16:36

Given the Grauniad I'm surprised we didn't get a shot of one of these;

https://i.postimg.cc/50LSBPsR/ss.jpg

WHBM 1st Dec 2019 17:30


Originally Posted by davidevans54 (Post 10630286)
OMG its a military jet, for illustration purposes. The article was essentially accurate, nobody is bothered that they didn 't show, the exact aircraft type.

So, alongside a story about the British Prime Minister, they illustrate it with a photo of Putin. Well, they are both political leaders, they are both wearing a suit. What does it matter that the exact country they are from is different ...

t43562 1st Dec 2019 17:52


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10630424)
So, alongside a story about the British Prime Minister, they illustrate it with a photo of Putin. Well, they are both political leaders, they are both wearing a suit. What does it matter that the exact country they are from is different ...

Looks like the photo might have been taken from a Typhoon, showing one of the things it has scrambled to intercept in the past. And indeed, what difference is there Between Putin and the other guy - isn't a lot of Russian money helping him along?

Auxtank 1st Dec 2019 17:58

Come on guys - let's not turn this thread in to a rather under-entertaining Troll's Tea Party.

Back under your respective bridges in the woods immediately, please...

Here's a lovely pic of the aircraft (Cor Blimey, I wish my missus had a heat bloom like that....)

https://i.postimg.cc/K8DLgrQ8/typhoonjet.jpg

almost as good as the real thing... (with striking geometrical similarities)

https://i.postimg.cc/nM8RMY21/hms-ark-royal-7.jpg

N707ZS 1st Dec 2019 18:40

Have we dared to figure what they were chasing after.

treadigraph 1st Dec 2019 18:42

It was an ex El Al 767 being ferried to the US.

Auxtank 1st Dec 2019 19:10


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 10630453)
It was an ex El Al 767 being ferried to the US.

Nearly gave the skipper a heart-attack, or so he says;
Had Coms INOP for a bit and by the time they came back on he was already chatting to TMA.
Gave the boys a workout - nothing wrong with that...do 'em good; Practise getting up there and quickest.
And no SU-27s were hurt in the executing of this SOP - despite what the Grauniad printed earlier today...
And no, we didn't scramble any F-35s either - though that would have been definitive in the extreme. Perhaps TOO extreme...but they'e waiting...salivating in fact.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50622110

Repos 1st Dec 2019 19:14

A question if I may - idle curiosity
 
In my part of the world we get abot 6 a year of various intensity, largely as a result of a base about 30km away.
They make you jump a bit occasionally and the only time it was a problem was a few summers ago when I was shirtless on the terrace holding the cat. Yes - blood drawn.

I've tried the jolly interwebby thing but I'm not clear on how widespread is the ban on overland supersonic flight across the world?
Also, is it driven by genuine environmental issues, damage to property, scaring livestock, or jusr trying to avoid litigation?

TBM-Legend 1st Dec 2019 22:02

...and in my part of the World we simply say "she'll be right mate" and go back to the bar!

FinelyChopped 1st Dec 2019 22:06

Doesn't No. II (AC) Squadron fly from Lossiemouth rather than Coningsby?

Asturias56 2nd Dec 2019 07:40

"In this part of London, there's been a lot of back-and-forth rotary wing stuff earlier in the week,"

NATO Meeting in Herts this week - Trump visiting UK??

wiggy 2nd Dec 2019 08:10


Originally Posted by Repos (Post 10630478)
I've tried the jolly interwebby thing but I'm not clear on how widespread is the ban on overland supersonic flight across the world?

FWIW it is certainly allowed at hi level over some parts of France

We actually don't live under one of those areas but for some reason we got what sounded like a boom from a pair yesterday..

..not sure what that was about,


TEEEJ 2nd Dec 2019 09:03


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 10630451)
Have we dared to figure what they were chasing after.

The following flight. See playback.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...725sh#23073509

BEagle 2nd Dec 2019 09:45


Boom in London - Boob in Grauniad
On page 3, was it?

Routine live Q scrambles and supersonic flight are becoming the norm. Much as it will doubtless upset the snowflakes and mad Swedish schoolgirl doom prophets, I think it's A Good Thing. Intercepting 'rogue' airliners needs to be conducted expeditiously.


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