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orca 20th Jul 2019 23:33

The USN harness uses Koch Fittings that would be very hard indeed to release with fully gloved hands.

KiloB 21st Jul 2019 09:13


Originally Posted by Wensleydale (Post 10523801)
Crewroom gossip used to tell of a time long ago at Ballykelly (?) before the troubles in NI, and the liaison between Shackleton crews and the ladies who made shirts for the RAF in the factory just down the road. The RAF chaps had a competition at the local dance hall to dance with ladies who made different parts of the shirt - once they had danced with the makers of the components of a full garment then the cry of "shirt" would be heard from the dance floor. However, there were also female shouts of "crew" as the competition worked both ways.

You did mean ‘dance’ didn’t you? It wasn’t a euphemism?

phil9560 1st Aug 2019 10:12

If he's under 30 he's probably texting as he flies :) :D

BEagle 1st Aug 2019 11:18

orca wrote:

The USN harness uses Koch Fittings that would be very hard indeed to release with fully gloved hands.
Which is why we practised releasing the Koch fasteners both when being dragged across the grass at AMTC North Luffenham and in the oggin at SCSR Mountbatten during pre-OCU courses. Our fasteners also had a pin to be released before the finger-biting Koch fasteners could be opened.

Dominator2 1st Aug 2019 12:05


Which is why we practised releasing the Koch fasteners both when being dragged across the grass at AMTC North Luffenham and in the oggin at SCSR Mountbatten during pre-OCU courses. Our fasteners also had a pin to be released before the finger-biting Koch fasteners could be opened.
Don't forget that some of us wore Immersion Gloves as well. Difficult to release Koch fasteners but would be near impossible to operate touch screens or computer pads. What do RAF fast jet pilots wear when flying over very cold oceans these days?

sycamore 1st Aug 2019 12:08

Seem to remember an A-10 Pilot drowned in the N Sea in very strong winds as he couldn`t undo the fasteners ,and his parachute didn`t have `spillage pockets` to collapse it....

charliegolf 1st Aug 2019 13:33


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10533938)
Seem to remember an A-10 Pilot drowned in the N Sea in very strong winds as he couldn`t undo the fasteners ,and his parachute didn`t have `spillage pockets` to collapse it....

IIRC, it clamed the winchman's life too.

CG

Wwyvern 1st Aug 2019 14:12

In my microlighting days, the radio and nav switches all seemed to be teeny weeny. Normal flying gloves didn't permit accurate selection, and I used cyclists' fingerless gloves. Naked fingers could feel and operate the switches satisfactorily and the material of the gloves at the palm enabled good grip of the control stick and throttle.

I first saw the use of these gloves about 30 years ago by an Indonesian pilot of a Bell 214 with miniaturised radios etc.

PPRuNeUser0211 1st Aug 2019 14:45


Originally Posted by Dominator2 (Post 10533935)
Don't forget that some of us wore Immersion Gloves as well. Difficult to release Koch fasteners but would be near impossible to operate touch screens or computer pads. What do RAF fast jet pilots wear when flying over very cold oceans these days?

I'd say if you procured a tablet that didn't have a "glove compatible screen" you failed at the first hurdle. Many systems are fine with gloves, just not iPads!

lsh 1st Aug 2019 16:31


Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 10534002)
IIRC, it clamed the winchman's life too.

CG

Dave Bullock.
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightP...20-%203622.PDF

A terrible report to read.

lsh

Trumpet trousers 1st Aug 2019 17:35

IIRC as a direct result of this tragedy, J knives were added to SAR winchmen’s items of equipment

charliegolf 2nd Aug 2019 16:36

LSH: noted.

CG

reds & greens 2nd Aug 2019 16:56

At least with the correct finger exposed, the pilot can give the enthusiastic 'Salute' to that sad team of spotters as he flies inverted through Cad in the loop...

ORAC 11th Aug 2019 15:45

What can be done. Demonstrates why SpaceX build almost all their rockets and other equipment in house.

Large multi-screen touch displays, iPad remote back-up. Look at the smooth wall panels compared to the earlier Apollo/Soyuz capsules.

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-cre...uit-rehearsal/

On Thursday, an official NASA Astronaut account tweeted that SpaceX’s first two Commercial Crew astronauts had recently completed a dress rehearsal test of the spacesuits that they will wear during Crew Dragon’s inaugural crewed launch to the ISS. Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley participated in a full “suit-up & leak checks” rehearsal with their iconic SpaceX-built suits and the same Ground Support Equipment (GSE) hardware that will be used during Demo-2. This dress rehearsal also serves to familiarize the SpaceX and NASA ground support crew with the astronaut suit-up process, and multiple technicians and flight engineers are visible in the background.

The new spacesuits made their press debut last summer at a media event held at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, California. Not only are they uniquely beautiful and modernist, but SpaceX’s spacesuits are also designed first and foremost with functionality in mind. SpaceX hired its own team of seamstresses and focused heavily on integrating 3D printing into suit production, resulting in an end-product that is simultaneously strikingly minimalistic and extremely usable. For example, the helmets Behnken and Hurley are seen wearing use 3D printing to integrate extremely complex life support systems, a built-in microphone and speaker communications array, a seamless multi-hinged visor, and more.

The suits are also designed to allow for easy maneuverability and a seamless user experience within the Dragon capsule. The attached gloves of the suit use conductive leather to allow the astronauts to interact with the Crew Dragon’s primary controls, a set of large touchscreens. Apple iPads will additionally be mounted directly on the thighs of the astronauts to serve as an even more convenient (and redundant) method of interfacing with Dragon’s controls, among other things........


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Stitchbitch 11th Aug 2019 19:29

And they have a an ex-RAF squipper in the team. Go Space-X!

Tashengurt 11th Aug 2019 20:31


Originally Posted by Stitchbitch (Post 10542687)
And they have a an ex-RAF squipper in the team. Go Space-X!

Who's that then?

mopardave 11th Aug 2019 22:29


Originally Posted by reds & greens (Post 10535097)
At least with the correct finger exposed, the pilot can give the enthusiastic 'Salute' to that sad team of spotters as he flies inverted through Cad in the loop...

"sad team of spotters"....what an arrogant remark.....I'm embarrassed for you!

reds & greens 12th Aug 2019 18:55


Originally Posted by mopardave (Post 10542798)
"sad team of spotters"....what an arrogant remark.....I'm embarrassed for you!

Thank you, - I'm not !


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