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Seriously tho' what circumstances could happen that would lead an Australian Govt wanting to nuke China? Having said that, I'm not a believer that this is necessary... |
Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
(Post 10514009)
We (us Ozzies) can't even manufacture our own AVTUR to fuel our jets. How anyone in their right mind reckon's we'd develop a home-grown nuclear weapon capability, I have no idea.
We'd probably outsource it to China... :E |
Maybe we should look at "Nookular Power" as a more reliable source of electricity - cleaner than coal, no smoke or ash, and it provides an afterglow for 30,000 years. We have our own uranium, and I'm sure Huawei would either have the technology to build it, or be able to steal it from somebody who has.
But nookular weapons - nah. |
I think you'd get a better deal from the N Koreans.............
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Well my two cents worth.
Blind Freddy can see what's coming. Just 6000 kms to the north of Australia sits a nation of 1.1bn people with an economy that will be double the size of the US by mid century. It is nuclear armed, communist run, led by a man who has declared himself ruler for life. He's 66 now - so we can assume he's going to be around for another 20-30 years. It's military is rapidly modernising, it is spreading influence throughout Australian politics and academia, threatening the Chinese diaspora, hacking current IT infrastructure and attempting to embed itself in IT future infrastructure. It's just effectively annexed the South China Sea. Meanwhile there is every sign that an isolationist, populist and erratic US president will not only be re-elected, but that his ideas will be used by cynical politicians that follow him. And we are relying on the United States to protect us? Will we be invaded? Probably not. Will we be attacked - or have our nearby interests attacked or threatened and/or annexed - more likely. Would the US or the UK, or France come to our aid - in my view - not a chance in hell. All of the above regarding China says both capability - and more importantly - possible intent. I think what will happen - is that the lucky country (read dumb luck) will continue arguing and hoping for the best, only to wake up in 20 years time and find that it is utterly dictated to by a bellicose and expansionist China. These things happen very slowly over long periods of time. And the Australian military is completely wrongly configured to deal with the sorts of threats we'll face. When you read White's book, it's clear that somewhere in Canberra there are studies that have been done and are being continuously updated on how long it would take for Australia to acquire nuclear weapons. Firms like Silex have developed some very interesting technology. I only hope that someone has the foresight to take the threat seriously, and the wick to start acting - but I doubt it. |
The Chinese are being extra nice to various Pacific nations, by kindly building ports and an airport, and in return it would be awfully un-neighbourly for that nation to stop the chinese from using such stuff, seeing as how they built it, and all...and the creeping forward of their interests goes on.
Large sections of Sydney have chinese-only apartment blocks - gwailohs are unable to buy them. At least the Barangaroo casino won't be full of them, since the Crown people were jailed trying to recruit the Whales. |
...and I should add - I have nothing against the average Chinese punter.
I think it's the same as the Iranians - good people, led by @rseholes. |
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 10515512)
The Chinese are being extra nice to various Pacific nations...
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 10515512)
Large sections of Sydney have chinese-only apartment blocks - gwailohs are unable to buy them
Maybe you are right . The invasion is underway via pretty modest Sydney apartments only foreigners are stupid enough to buy . |
A permanent American presence is more palatable than nuclear weapons btw. A fighter squadron based in Tindal for example. The US, I understand , is the biggest investor into Australia, whereas the mainland Chinese is our biggest trading partner. The US is here to stay and even the Brits need to return to SEA after their spectacular exit in 1941. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 10514203)
Still a part time answer to a full time threat. The sub wouldn’t have to be located in the pacific btw. I’m not sure the UK citizens or govt would want to be in the financial hook to dedicate a boat to the defense of Oz. Just not a viable option. I don't know what caveats on usage are included in the lease agreement, but you can be reasonably sure that sub-leasing is prohibited. |
Unless things have changed, ALL nuclear weapons in the U.K. arsenal are owned by the U.S.A. and are provided on lease. The UK warheads do not contain permissive active links are under the sole control of the crew. The production of the warheads does rely on components purchased from the USA and depend on US systems such as GPS, but then so does the JSF....... https://publications.parliament.uk/p...86/986we13.htm |
A distant view, with little knowledge of the geopolitics of the area, questions why would a deterrent be required. Speculative aggression - who is from the North, but why, what is to be gained. Do they seek space - GAFA, there’s plenty of sunshine energy there, similar to the outer reaches of China. Resources, not necessarily to own them, but to isolate or minimise world supply to an aggressors advantage. The physical destruction or strategic isolation of Oz would be an immense, if not impossible task, thus consider some form political isolation with threat; how, has this been done before, geographicaly and time scales. Don’t discard any U.K. input, we respect and remember friendship, our word is our bond, treaties are upheld. Seeking deeper understanding. However, anticipating this might be in short supply for the next few hours - Edgbaston, or even longer depending on the result, a lesson might be how to play ‘spin’ on a sticky wicket; sport or politics |
"Don’t discard any U.K. input, we respect and remember friendship, our word is our bond, treaties are upheld."
REALLY???? Tell that to the people of Hong Kong, or the Chagos Islands................... and the Czechs and Poles in WW2... and the Ukrainians you handed back in '45............... Didn't someone say the only reason the sun never set on the British Empire was because God couldn't trust the Brits in the dark................. |
Please tell us what you really think, Asturia.
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The UK, France, USA, Russia and China developed nuclear weapons before signing the Nuclear non -proliferation treaty. Israel, Pakistan, India and South Sudan have never signed it. |
Well - the kiwis are further ahead - they've already developed the duluvery system ;) NZ Nuclear Delivery System |
Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
(Post 10516496)
I think this is their current delivery system
NZ Nuclear Delivery System no return address I’m sure. |
Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10515554)
...and I should add - I have nothing against the average Chinese punter.
I think it's the same as the Iranians - good people, led by @rseholes. |
People on massive Island in Oceania worried about foreign power using military to gain foothold in country and strip it of its natural resources while disregarding the rights of the people living there.
Then Captain Cook landed. History just repeats itself so that the decendants find what their ancestors did gets visited on them. |
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