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Iran with nuclear tipped Missiles....Game Changer?
Iran continues testing missiles and recent reports suggest they are within six months of having a deliverable nuclear weapon.
Is this a game changer or what if true? What should the Western Powers strategy be? https://www.janes.com/article/89058/...ssile-launches |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10489217)
Iran continues testing missiles and recent reports suggest they are within six months of having a deliverable nuclear weapon.
Is this a game changer or what if true? What should the Western Powers strategy be? https://www.janes.com/article/89058/...ssile-launches Do nothing. Once the west and the Saudis lose the ability to carry out military action in that part of the world, things will become somewhat more stable. West doesnt like the prospect they will lose that course of action. One question, other nations have them, so why not iran? |
Exactly - USA, Russia, UK, France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan, N Korea... quite a mixed bunch but the world seems to be able to cope
TBH if I was Iranian and looking at Bolton lurching about the scenery threatening regime change and Netanyahu still down the road I'd consider it my patriotic duty to get an H Bomb at all costs ASAP Also odd there has been limited comment on here about the Chinese built Saudi missile plant that was mentioned in some of the press last week. |
With the state of democracy in the west, growth of the hard, bordering on extreme right with Farage and Trump, I don’t think we have have any moral higher ground to stand on at present. We are quite frankly a disgrace to the rest of the world. I wish Iran every success in their future endeavour to protect themselves from the lunacy that our supposed superior political system is presently generating. |
Think that any country with a functioning nuclear power infrastructure is within a few months of a nuclear weapon. The technology is well documented by now, so Japan, Germany, Taiwan and Brazil are surely nuclear capable entities,
Meanwhile, if the Iranians see their co religionists getting slaughtered in Yemen, they are not likely to remain passive, any more than the Turks were when the Cypriots declared Enosis and union with Greece. Unfortunately, the US has trained the Iranian military to adjust to the US way of warfare in Syria and Iraq, so I do not see any easy pickings in any actual confrontation. Separately, if memory serves, there was a provocative Adelphi Paper about 20 years back by an Arab author which argued that nuclear weapons proliferation would serve as a stabilizer in interstate relations, especially in the Middle East. I do not think the author was prescient enough to consider the emergence of non state actors such as Al Qaeda, which perhaps erodes the thesis. |
...our supposed superior political system... |
Originally Posted by VinRouge
(Post 10489378)
With the state of democracy in the west, growth of the hard, bordering on extreme right with Farage and Trump, I don’t think we have have any moral higher ground to stand on at present. We are quite frankly a disgrace to the rest of the world. I wish Iran every success in their future endeavour to protect themselves from the lunacy that our supposed superior political system is presently generating. I concur with the Iranian sentiments, however the cure for our political system is obviously too bitter a pill for you to take. |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 10489619)
Given the choice, whose political system would you chose to live under, VinRouge?
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The Chinese will trounce the west as the constraints placed upon the county as western nations by going with the majority (self serving?) view, la democracy, |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 10489714)
Sorry mate, but that's not even English.
system 2. Increased state pension liabilities, increased expenditure on health services, and the cast of Jeremy Kyle with the same voting rights as a university professor. Clearer? |
Originally Posted by VinRouge
(Post 10489720)
Increased state pension liabilities, increased expenditure on health services You seem to be saying that this is a terrible thing and that the Chinese system is much better. Presumably you think that the Chinese toss their old people and the sick into the Yellow River or otherwise dispose of them to benefit the totality of their civilisation? Doesn't sound like much of a civilisation to me. Iran is run by a bunch of lunatics who subscribe to the ways and mores of a medieval death cult. Religious maniacs with nuclear weapons presents a terrifying prospect to me. As already noted, I am surprised you are not in either China or Iran - you say it's great, why haven't you left yet?. Maybe you are unable to choose between their various heavenly attractions? Maybe you are too poor to afford the fare? If that is the case please start a web fundraiser thing to raise money for your fare and post details here - I promise to donate. I advise China, you might not last long in Iran. |
Originally Posted by jimjim1
(Post 10489784)
"Increased state pension liabilities, increased expenditure on health services"
You seem to be saying that this is a terrible thing and that the Chinese system is much better. Presumably you think that the Chinese toss their old people and the sick into the Yellow River or otherwise dispose of them to benefit the totality of their civilisation? Doesn't sound like much of a civilisation to me. Iran is run by a bunch of lunatics who subscribe to the ways and mores of a medieval death cult. Religious maniacs with nuclear weapons presents a terrifying prospect to me. As already noted, I am surprised you are not in either China or Iran - you say it's great, why haven't you left yet?. Maybe you are unable to choose between their various heavenly attractions? Maybe you are too poor to afford the fare? If that is the case please start a web fundraiser thing to raise money for your fare and post details here - I promise to donate. I advise China, you might not last long in Iran. Whether the other systems are undesirable to you is an utterly moot point. The Chinese are now matching and in some cases overtaking western tech in terms of quality, particularly in the fields of electronics, quantum computing and Generalised AI. We can bang on about moral higher ground as much as we like, in 50 years, it will be them and not us that are setting global trends. as to Iran “Death cult”, sounds like someone has been falling for the free trump kool aid. Interesting developments over the pond at the moment, something about a big wall to keep the cockroaches out, interment of immigrant children, intelligent creation vs science, climate change denial and banning abortion in a number of states. Not too sure accusations of lunacy need to be thrown Eastward at the moment. |
5 and 10 year plans aren’t what they’re cracked up to be, as history proves. The capitalist system of allowing millions, instead of a committee, to decide tends to produce better solutions. No 5 year plan will ever produce an Apple, Google or Hollywood. Japan was supposed to overtake the USA and didn’t - and China is already experiencing an ageing population, lack of raw resources and a shrinking overseas market. Unlike democratic India. I await the future with interest. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10489792)
5 and 10 year plans aren’t what they’re cracked up to be, as history proves. The capitalist system of allowing millions, instead of a committee, to decide tends to produce better solutions. No 5 year plan will ever produce an Apple, Google or Hollywood. Japan was supposed to overtake the USA and didn’t - and China is already experiencing an ageing population, lack of raw resources and a shrinking overseas market. Unlike democratic India. I await the future with interest. Recent behaviour towards tariffs and action against Huawei shows some desperation rather than strategy. It’s all a bit knee jerk. China’s model has long cast aside the industry by committee model, hence Huawei now rapidly approaching being market leaders in mobile smart phone production. China own vast swathes of rare earth resources in Africa, if they shut off supply to the west, we have issues, particularly in our high tech sectors. |
Anybody got photos of those Saudi Missile silos where they point for a launch in direction of Israel, Iran and An.Other.
Saudi bought and piad for Pakistani nukes and seemingly its not a concern even though they openly kill journalists, promote terror and engage in genocide. |
as to Iran “Death cult”, sounds like someone has been falling for the free trump kool aid. Interesting developments over the pond at the moment, something about a big wall to keep the cockroaches out, interment of immigrant children, intelligent creation vs science, climate change denial and banning abortion in a number of states. Not too sure accusations of lunacy need to be thrown Eastward at the moment. I would suggest you consider a "for instance".....we are seeing approximately 150,000 illegal aliens enter the Country each MONTH. How would you cure that problem? We have already encountered ISIS efforts to utilize that avenue for sending their Fighters here. It is assumed, as there is no way to know with any real accuracy, there are 15-20 Million Illegal Aliens in the Country. Care to explain to all of us how that is a "good" thing for the Nation? Neither Political Party, when each had a Veto proof majority in Congress AND held the White House, have done anything to fix our border or immigration law. Trump....is trying. Do give the Man credit when it is due. He just negotiated an Agreement with Mexico re that problem using the promise of Tariffs if they did not begin to take some real action. That is one hell of a lot more than all of his predecessors and Congress has done. Now back to the Thread Topic.....why does Iran, Syria, and other nations seek to obtain Nuclear Weapons? Are they afraid they cannot find protection against such attacks by the Major Powers that already have them.....and why would they not be able to find a benefactor? Could it be their support of terror groups and other belligerent activities make them pariahs diplomatically? |
China own vast swathes of rare earth resources in Africa https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/17/1...china-monopoly |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10489870)
Rare earths..... aren’t. The name refers to their low concentrations, not their overall rarity - which is why the are commonly extracted as a by-product of the processing of another element. Other plants which were shut as China undercut their market can easily be reopened. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/17/1...china-monopoly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare...ustry_in_China as for trump protecting the motherland from hordes of terrorists, he could better protect his people with widespread gun control. It’s a shame that a fervent nationalistic agenda seems to take priority over unpopular political measures that may, you know, stop the widespread gun deaths, school massacres and disgruntled employee shoot ups that take place on a daily basis in the USA. Oh, and 140 times as likely to kill you in the USA than terrorism. But go ahead, Make America Great Again. Could it be their support of terror groups and other belligerent activities make them pariahs diplomatically? |
You miss the point dear boy.....there are lots of problems and issues that need dealing with...most of which are created by Politicians pushing their own agenda rather than dealing with real problems.
Why do you think trying to reduce the threat of terror attacks is of a lesser priority than the attacks you mention? The politicians create problems then try to come up with solutions that do not address the root cause of the problem. Preventing the Iranian Regime from gaining nuclear weapons is just one of those issues....as is illegal immigration...gun violence....deficit spending....protection of intellectual property and a myriad of problems. I perceive you care not for the Man and that generates an inability to accept he is in fact getting something done despite all of the opposition he faces from the Establishment. He is not a very likeable person but he was not elected for his good graces and articulate speech....he was elected to effect change....change that is needed. Congress has failed to get the job done and in far too many cases is the exact cause of our problems. But then you elect not to explain why you think illegal immigration and failed border control is of no concern to you. |
Why do you think trying to reduce the threat of terror attacks is of a lesser priority than the attacks you mention? |
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