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-   -   UK orders Boeing E7... (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/619712-uk-orders-boeing-e7.html)

tucumseh 26th Mar 2019 04:51
mismanaged programme
If I may just say, there is a difference between mismanaging a well-resourced programme, and struggling to manage a poorly resourced one. When the AWACS through-life costs were bid for, this was a Service HQ responsibility. In the mid-90s, these HQ posts had long gone, and the work defaulted to whoever had the gumption to do it. Sometimes that was soemone in the HQ, more often it was a project manager in MoD(PE) (by which time it is far too late). In 1996, the Chief of Defence Procurement instructed his PE staff to cease doing this for the Services. Those few who knew how just ignored him; but by 1999, with the demise of MoD(PE), this work more or less ceased altogether. It so happens the AWACS programme had perhaps the best suited person for this, with vast experience across the Fleet Air Arm (having previously served in the RAF). If he couldn't persuade the 'system' to get it's act together, nobody could.

onichols1 26th Mar 2019 11:44
Unlikely that major cockpit modifications will be made.....but anything they do will be an improvement on the Sentry

Wycombe 26th Mar 2019 15:14
Have heard it referred to as the "surfboard" but guess that's also a bit too Aussie.

Had a chat with the Wedgetail crew at RIAT last year, who said they didn't come all that way not to spend a few days at Waddo aswell before returning home ;-)

Davef68 26th Apr 2019 14:07
News article in Air International states that 'Air International understands that the RAF variant will use one of the longer fuselage versions (of the 737), possibly the 737-800ERX" (same as P-8).

AnglianAV8R 26th Apr 2019 17:26
Excellent! That'll be for the UK spec pie oven :ok:

How about RR engines & Smiths instruments ? No? OK, not this time.

Davef68 26th Apr 2019 19:37
Originally Posted by AnglianAV8R (Post 10456562)
Excellent! That'll be for the UK spec pie oven :ok:
.
And a big tea urn

TwoTunnels 27th Apr 2019 15:04
Originally Posted by Jerry Atrick (Post 10426761)
Fallmonk, it seems only four E-3s are currently available for ops.
E-3D - Ops......ha! :}:}

LoeyDaFrog 27th Apr 2019 16:29
Originally Posted by TwoTunnels (Post 10457271)
E-3D - Ops......ha! :}:}
Harsh banter!
B****y funny, but harsh nevertheless

Pure Pursuit 27th Apr 2019 19:54
Originally Posted by TwoTunnels (Post 10457271)
E-3D - Ops......ha! :}:}
Very harsh on the lads. The effort that has gone into getting that platform sorted is staggering, regardless of the outcome.

It’s done more than it’s fair share over its time in service TT.... No different the Nimrod demise only this time, they won’t be waiting 10 years for an inferior replacement...!

BLURC2 27th Apr 2019 21:33
4?!? Even saying one is available for Ops would be somewhat optimistic...

msbbarratt 28th Apr 2019 17:46
Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 10456641)
And a big tea urn
Best get that moved to the front, for emergencies...

Dan Winterland 29th Apr 2019 03:10
Four slot toaster?

melmothtw 29th Apr 2019 07:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Bunto https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
From a pedantic spotter PoV the "E-7" marketing name is annoying. The next in the official MDS sequence is actually E-12, but no US service has applied for that since none use this derivative.

Boeing should really have known that since the original E-7 was a 707 derivative, later redesignated EC-18B.
The E-7 designation for Wedgetail was nothing to do with Boeing, but came about from ideas and research within 2SQN RAAF. The original E-7 aircraft was a one-off experimental aircraft that never went into operational service, and hence, E-7 seemed a good choice. Approval was sought and gained from the US to use the designation officially, but by the time that approval was granted, we had bought 2000 Squadron Prints with the E-7A designation on it, and the name was in common use!

Y_G
Boeing's marketing name was/is E-737, for obvious reasons.

Cows getting bigger 29th Apr 2019 07:31
Names:

Boomerang - homage to our Aussie cousins
The Fin MkII
Yaw Damper Required
Mini Me - Shrunk Sentry

Davef68 29th Apr 2019 11:49
Originally Posted by Cows getting bigger (Post 10458636)
Names:

Boomerang - homage to our Aussie cousins
The Fin MkII
Yaw Damper Required
Mini Me - Shrunk Sentry
Posideon ASaC mk 2

golder 29th Apr 2019 12:57
They are going for the long body, because they aren't going to mess this up. They are in for the long haul.

It is going to be a proper fit out, the full kit. They are already calling for tenders.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8663edf677.png

SWBKCB 13th May 2019 15:17
In a letter to the defence select committee, Stuart Andrew, minister for defence procurement, states that only three of the aircraft will be new-build examples. “Boeing has sourced two 737NGs from the commercial market and secured a further three production slots on [its] Seattle production line in 2021 and 2022 to meet our needs,” he says.
Modification of the airframes is due to be performed by Marshall Aerospace in Cambridge.
Flight - RAF to get second-hand jets as part of Wedgetail buy

Asturias56 13th May 2019 16:50
DAILY MAIL tomorrow

"Our Boys asked to Fly in Killer Boeing Jet!"

andrewn 13th May 2019 17:29
Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10470359)
That's funny, but you do know April 1st has been and gone?

melmothtw 13th May 2019 18:45
Of course they are going to be second hand, Boeing doesn't make the NG anymore.


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