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N707ZS 22nd Mar 2019 20:38

Probably buy them, get them stripped out and leased to Ryanair like the Air Taker 330s!

Brewster Buffalo 22nd Mar 2019 20:44

Why no orders from the USAF?


NutLoose 22nd Mar 2019 21:25

I wonder what they will do with the AWAC, sell them on?

i take it they will need to modified to hose and drogue for RAF Service.

camelspyyder 22nd Mar 2019 22:05


Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo (Post 10427105)
Why no orders from the USAF?

Because their E-3 fleet is up to date having had full investment?

Buster Hyman 22nd Mar 2019 22:43

It'd be hard to operate 'closely' with the Ozmates if they were to 'customise' it's capability.

switch_on_lofty 22nd Mar 2019 22:57


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 10427182)
It'd be hard to operate 'closely' with the Ozmates if they were to 'customise' it's capability.

737 lacks the range to operate with the Aussies closely regardless of capability!
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HK144 23rd Mar 2019 00:05

I think what we are getting at here is that the RAF and RAAF will operate closely in Coalition type Ops (read ME) and given membership of the Five Eyes community, information sharing will be ongoing.

flighthappens 23rd Mar 2019 00:59

What is more important is buying into the continuous upgrades... share the cost between the RAF/RAAF and avoid having the sustainment problem the E3D became.

tdracer 23rd Mar 2019 01:53


Originally Posted by weemonkey (Post 10427110)
Isn't the ng line closed??

No, it's not. And there are no current plans to shut down the NG line - there are still commercial NG deliveries scheduled, and the NG will remain the basis for the P-7 and P-8 indefinitely.


Pure Pursuit 23rd Mar 2019 05:25


Originally Posted by camelspyyder (Post 10427159)
Because their E-3 fleet is up to date having had full investment?

USAF’s E-3C/G fleet is managing a very similar serviceability rate as the RAF jets. They have not been fully invested in at all in terms of the airframe.

There’s absolutely no point installing block 40/45 if you’re not going to do something about extending the life of the airframe. Bad times at Tinker.

vascodegama 23rd Mar 2019 06:10


i take it they will need to modified to hose and drogue for RAF Service.

NL

That is not the plan with the P8 so why this ac? Pity we chose PFI convenience over STANAG compliance.

JagRigger 23rd Mar 2019 08:27

Aren't AWACS short lived these days - not like the last one we had

golder 23rd Mar 2019 08:37


Originally Posted by Saintsman (Post 10426682)
I wonder how much we are going to change the design so that it meets UK requirementto it.s?...

Probably not a lot, It should come with a pie warmer as a standard fit. We were not big on the US Foreman grill. Hopefully the MOU has been written up properly and we can get a percent on FMS sales. To recover some of our developmental investment. We sunk a lot of money into it to fix it. It was a problematic programme.

The good news is that the yanks really liked it when it was deployed to the ME

Bigpants 23rd Mar 2019 08:50

I am a bit out of touch but assuming the E7 is purchased how many RAF aircraft will require a Boom for AAR?

But the MOD considers Air Tanker fit for purpose and the people whose promotions floated on Air Tanker are now comfortably retired and working as non execs somewhere in the MIC?

VinRouge 23rd Mar 2019 08:51


Originally Posted by vascodegama (Post 10427354)

i take it they will need to modified to hose and drogue for RAF Service.

NL

That is not the plan with the P8 so why this ac? Pity we chose PFI convenience over STANAG compliance.

we could swap out a few of those hose and drogues for boomers....

P8, C17, E7, Rivet Joint plus interoperability with the USA would mean it makes sense.

vascodegama 23rd Mar 2019 09:05


Originally Posted by VinRouge (Post 10427430)

we could swap out a few of those hose and drogues for boomers....

P8, C17, E7, Rivet Joint plus interoperability with the USA would mean it makes sense.

Making sense is one thing , just how do we think the contract change would go?

Easy Street 23rd Mar 2019 09:10


Originally Posted by vascodegama (Post 10427440)
Making sense is one thing , just how do we think the contract change would go?

Offload some drogue-only airframes to a consortium of European nations looking to increase AAR capacity and replace with new-build boom-equipped variants was the rough plan, I thought...

El Bunto 23rd Mar 2019 10:21

From a pedantic spotter PoV the "E-7" marketing name is annoying. The next in the official MDS sequence is actually E-12, but no US service has applied for that since none use this derivative.

Boeing should really have known that since the original E-7 was a 707 derivative, later redesignated EC-18B.

The MoD is actually contracting for five 737-7ES, which of course have a different airframe than the 737-8FV ( Poseidon ).

Spotting mode off.

Frostchamber 23rd Mar 2019 11:06

As I've posted elsewhere, this strikes me as unalloyed good news. The Australians have spent a lot of time and effort over the last few years ironing out all the bugs and maturing the E7 into what by all accounts is a superb capability. Building on that, the aircraft is also currently being put through an A$580m upgrade programme, all the phases of which are due to be fully rolled out by mid 2022. Perfect timing. Unusually, we have (and are taking) the opportunity to step in at precisely the right time and benefit from all these hard yards having been done. It will deliver a huge uplift in capability - great outcome. Assuming of course that we don't b*gger it up by insisting on UK customisation (pie warmer aside), but I think that lesson has finally been learned (witness C17 and P8) and I doubt we'll have that problem here.

vascodegama 23rd Mar 2019 12:54

Easy

So do we go for the MRTT -the only boom version at the moment ? What would that do for the contract? Not my PFI but I suspect that would complicate the 3PR side of things somewhat, hence would be a very expensive contract change.

Do we go for boom addition to a Voyager-this would be a new version so who pays for the development?

Who would we dump the existing frames on- I thought that the europeans wanted a tanker with both systems.

Just remind me what PFI stands for!


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