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pr00ne 30th May 2019 18:23


Originally Posted by campbeex (Post 10482759)
The term "foreign" is something of a relative term. I'm sure we could always rent out the airfield to you if you're stuck.

Nope, independence is independence, you will be a foreign country with all that implies. Whilst I am sure that there will be a CTA like we have with Ireland, Ireland is still a foreign country and an independent Scotland will be just that. You will have to loook elsewhere for revenue for the many airfields you will have but not need.

Finningley Boy 31st May 2019 01:12


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10482923)
Nope, independence is independence, you will be a foreign country with all that implies. Whilst I am sure that there will be a CTA like we have with Ireland, Ireland is still a foreign country and an independent Scotland will be just that. You will have to loook elsewhere for revenue for the many airfields you will have but not need.

Scotland won't be an independent country, not for long anyway, not if the future plans that Geeeverhofstadt is constantly referring to come to fruition after we either leave or stay in. The EU plan will eventually involve centralized taxation in Brussels, single standing military forces and whatever else to complete the exercise. Ask yourself tis question about Scottish independence, if membership of the EU was such an imperative and leaving the UK in 2014 (as now) would mean leaving the EU, why did the SNP press ahead with the risk of being chucked out of the EU initially?

FB

DucatiST4 31st May 2019 08:57

Why not base them at Akrotiri during the winter then during the display season let them stay at the various airfield still remaining around the UK based on where their next display is?

campbeex 31st May 2019 09:30


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10482923)
Nope, independence is independence, you will be a foreign country with all that implies. Whilst I am sure that there will be a CTA like we have with Ireland, Ireland is still a foreign country and an independent Scotland will be just that. You will have to loook elsewhere for revenue for the many airfields you will have but not need.

Nope, England would be a foreign country. Depends on one's perspective, doesn't it?

Anyway, I feel that's probably enough thread drift.

SirToppamHat 31st May 2019 11:46


Originally Posted by DucatiST4 (Post 10483290)
Why not base them at Akrotiri during the winter then during the display season let them stay at the various airfield still remaining around the UK based on where their next display is?

Because even in the display season they regularly fly practice displays which require the airfield to be sterile and the airspace above it sanitised. The BIG issue here is the airspace. R313 (ISTR 5nm from the centre of the Scampton runway and up to 9,500 feet above mean sea level); it is not within the MOD's gift to just move it around the UK and even if the CAA has agreed to consider a request to move it, it will take years to get a decision and require a lot of consultation.



Harley Quinn 31st May 2019 13:19


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10482627)
Harley Quinn,

So, Leeming has an empty C -Type hangar does it? All fully equipped to modern Health and Safety standards and fully equipped to accommodate and service 13 Hawk T1's? And with the added office and admin space for the Team, and accommodation on station for the 100+ folk of the Team? And the airfield is capable of being shut to other traffic 3 to 4 times a day every day for an hour at a time and has sufficient Air Traffic, Fire and Ops staff to open at weekends and Bank Holidays in the display season?
There is a reason that the RAFAT have historically had an active airfield all to them selves.


Dunno about the latest H&S standard, I'd guess the RTP hangars and offices are in reasonably good nick and will be, if not already, available. Leeming always seems to have plenty of accommodation. Upping the establishment of Leeming a bit or establish a whole new unit with all its support staff requirements? I don't necessarily agree that 'because that's the way we've always done it' is much of an argument.
Of course we could just outsource to Breitling.

andrewn 31st May 2019 20:19


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10483508)
Dunno about the latest H&S standard, I'd guess the RTP hangars and offices are in reasonably good nick and will be, if not already, available. Leeming always seems to have plenty of accommodation. Upping the establishment of Leeming a bit or establish a whole new unit with all its support staff requirements? I don't necessarily agree that 'because that's the way we've always done it' is much of an argument.
Of course we could just outsource to Breitling.

Not forgetting the frequent visits from local WI, cubs, guides, STEM, the local and national news media? Co-locating the Reds with other busy flying units has been tried before and failed, miserably, for a variety of reasons. Just because the Government has changed many times since and the Defence Chiefs have forgotten how bad an idea it is (or just dont care), it doesnt make it any better an idea!

Agree with your last point - if we cant do it properly, why bother doing it at all...

Willard Whyte 1st Jun 2019 15:49


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10483508)
Of course we could just outsource to Breitling.

I wasn't concentrating on first read through, and thought it said "Of course we could just outsource to Beijing."

The way things are going that might be on the cards...

spekesoftly 1st Jun 2019 17:13

Yep, sponsored by Huawei and renamed 'Hwed Harrows' .....


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