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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 10422495)
You are mistaken.
We say eject on aircraft with ejection seats. We say bail out on aircraft without them. Just so that you understand the difference, for over 30 years the USN's primary trainer was the T-34C, which required a bail out under various conditions. For 20 or so years before that, the T-28 B and C were also bail out/parachute equipped primary training aircraft. At the same time, the advanced trainers -- T-2, TA-4, then T-45, were all ejection seat aircraft. Likewise the T-37/Tweet. Primary training, ejection seat, and we still say eject. Likewise in the T-6 Texan II. Old adage among the American carrier pilots: "There are those who have ejected, and those who will." @Herod: Our military has DOPMA, yours does not. After 25 years, my up or out choice was to choose to stay until 28, one last assignment somewhere else, or to hang up the cleats and stay where I was. With the kids settled in schools, and the wife finishing her degree, it was time. I was never going to be an admiral. Bring it. |
I am reminded of the old joke of the Englishman who walks up and ask an American standing in a hotel lobby, “excuse me, is this the express lift? ”Elevator”, replies the American, “we invented the elevator”. “Lift”, responded the Englishman, “we invented the language”. |
The first ejector seat was patented by the British inventor Everard Calthrop who patented a pneumatic ejector seat in 1916..... |
According to Martin-Baker (who, I think we all agree, should know) they make Ejection Seats.
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I think it's safe to say this thread sums up the uselessness of this forum these days.....
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav
(Post 10422396)
Lonewolf - ejector/ejections seats? You say flight suit, we say flying suit, you say airplane we say aeroplane, you say (eg) 214th Squadron, we say 214 Squadron, etc. Does it really matter? We both know what the other is talking about. :)
And don't get me started on how to spell tires....:) |
Originally Posted by Thud105
(Post 10422657)
According to Martin-Baker (who, I think we all agree, should know) they make Ejection Seats.
indeed, and very very good they are too! |
Blimey, I didnt think I'd start all this when I posted my light-hearted comment above!
Lonewolf; Expect incoming from TTN. I suspect he has more military time than you. And on a real aeroplane (English spelling) to boot. We say eject on aircraft with ejection seats. We say bail out on aircraft without them. And don't get me started on how to spell tires....:) Anyway, bye for now, I'm "tired" ;) |
Originally Posted by downsizer
(Post 10422684)
I think it's safe to say this thread sums up the uselessness of this forum these days.....
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 10422495)
You are mistaken.
We say eject on aircraft with ejection seats. We say bail out on aircraft without them. I've flown with the USAF, and it uses "Bailout" as the command to eject. It uses "Egress" as the command to unstrap and get out in a ground emergency. I have also flown with the US Navy and seem to recall they used the exact same terminology, but I stand ready to be corrected. The RAF uses "Eject". Honestly, if you're going to be such a pedant, get your own stuff right first! |
I think it's safe to say this thread sums up the uselessness of this forum these days..... |
Originally Posted by OldnDaft
(Post 10423364)
Almost as useless as E-Goat.....
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Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy
(Post 10423387)
I've flown with the USAF, and it uses "Bailout" as the command to eject. It uses "Egress" as the command to unstrap and get out in a ground emergency.
I have also flown with the US Navy and seem to recall they used the exact same terminology, but I stand ready to be corrected. The RAF uses "Eject". Honestly, if you're going to be such a pedant, get your own stuff right first! As far as the USN goes, I know I am correct. Last time I was in a T-45 it was a briefing item. The call being "eject, eject, eject." If the USAF has for some reason chosen to call for "bail out" rather than "eject" in ejection seat aircraft, that would be a surprise to me. It's been over a decade since I last worked a joint training program. That (alleged) difference never came up, though a variety of other differences did. I am going on my memory over yours. How long ago is your reference from? As thud105 pointed out: According to Martin-Baker (who, I think we all agree, should know) they make Ejection Seats. In a box somewhere, I've got a small caterpillar pin, and a card that shows that I have joined the caterpillar club. But that was a long time ago. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 10423861)
I am going on my memory over yours. How long ago is your reference from?
USN F/A-18 2010 (once only, hence my willingness to stand corrected). The Air Force doesn't use 'Eject' because it doesn't want confusion on the ground when 'Egress' is called. I believe they moved that model in the 1980s when an F-4 A/C called "Egress!" during a ground emergency, but the back seater heard "Eject" and pulled the handles. Sadly, the pilot had already started to unstrap and did not survive the ejection. |
Originally Posted by Ewan Whosearmy
(Post 10423955)
USAF F-15 and F-16 starting 2002 and ending 2015.
USN F/A-18 2010 (once only, hence my willingness to stand corrected). The Air Force doesn't use 'Eject' because it doesn't want confusion on the ground when 'Egress' is called. I believe they moved that model in the 1980s when an F-4 A/C called "Egress!" during a ground emergency, but the back seater heard "Eject" and pulled the handles. Sadly, the pilot had already started to unstrap and did not survive the ejection. The brief was that if after I heard the third "eject" I was still in the aircraft, I was late already. |
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