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ORAC 20th Jan 2019 18:26

Guard Duty
 
Think of those suffering on our behalf. The things we do for our country....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/823638...eague-warning/

Windsor Castle guard ‘cried out for help as he was sexually assaulted by drunk female trooper at 3am’


Saintsman 20th Jan 2019 18:30

That’s equality.

MPN11 20th Jan 2019 19:25

It’s a brave new world, full of unexpected perils. But that is one I had never considered. ;)

langleybaston 20th Jan 2019 19:29

Why does it always happen to other blokes?

I read, when I was 19, that women are at their peak performance at 29, and men at 19.

Nothing. Zilch. All those 29 year-olds missed out big time.

This was in 1956.

Is it too late ..... 29 would do nicely?

MPN11 20th Jan 2019 19:34

I was never pursued by older women ... just younger ones.

I’m glad I’m out of that game now!,

stevef 20th Jan 2019 20:27

"He called out 'help me'. Eventually the guard commander pulled her away."
What a terrible experience for the poor man... I hope he'll be suitably compensated for that traumatic experience. I wonder how many eighteen-year-old WW2 Bomber Command crews would have dreamed of that opportunity. :hmm:

Lantern10 20th Jan 2019 20:32

Probably around 99%.
Too bad she picked the 1%.

Flap62 20th Jan 2019 20:50

Perhaps it’s an indication of generational change but I’m a bit surprised at some of the posts on this. If it had been a male squaddie doing this to a female would the response have been the same? We live in an age of equality and her actions are just as reprehensible as if a man had done it. Let’s have less of the “ he needs to man up and enjoy himself “ Carry On attitudes eh?

SASless 20th Jan 2019 21:16

A couple of points need making....firstly...a family friend now deceased went to Canada and wound up at Teeside flying Lancasters to Germany.....33 Trips.....and had something similar happen to him.

He very politely declined what he described as a very hard thing to reject as she was quite a looker. He was married to his school hood sweetheart and he honored those vows over a nights enjoyment.

He also never consumed any alcohol in his life. He was a Man I very much looked up to....

I have fallen quite short of his example in regard both the Ladies and Demon Drink.

Far better this Squaddie call for help....and have witnesses to what was going on rather than it get really ugly and just have his word against hers.

We know how that works this day and time....guilty before proven innocent.

Perhaps a photo of the Perp might help in qualifying our comments about this.

Is she attractive or a "Deployment Queen"?

stevef 20th Jan 2019 21:25

Open comment:
When was the last time you stood in a pub and cried to your mates that you'd been sexually assaulted by someone of the opposite sex! :)
I worked in a supermarket warehouse pro tem back in the 70s and was groped several times by a pack of shop girls having a laugh. No harm done and nobody got raped. I like to think I've got bigger balls and a better sense of humour than today's snowflakes.

Tashengurt 20th Jan 2019 21:58

There do seem to be some obvious double standards at play here.
The fact is that if a male forced himself on a female in that way he could expect to be on the end of some fairly serious disciplinary charges and probably criminal ones too.
You simply cannot turn that through 180° and say it's just one of those things or imply the victim is somehow lacking because he's male.

stevef 20th Jan 2019 22:28

Apparently the SAS is open to female applicants these days. I can't see the successful girls in the regiment taking more than they can give.
We're talking Fighting Forces, not convent schools... I'm probably drifting off the subject here so I'll sign off.

Shaft109 21st Jan 2019 06:44

Dodged a bullet
 
In all seriousness - if she made any kind of allegation against him his life would be destroyed and with all due respect it seems some don’t grasp that fact.

Years ago this would be laughed off but at my company there’s a mark on the floor where if you stand on it you’re visible on at least 2 cameras and just about on audio specifically because of the threat from one woman.

She wouldn’t hesitate to falsely accuse someone if she got the chance - those ‘dob someone in’ phonelines for DWP?
she’s used them to make life hard.

VP M Pence has a rule he won’t have one on one meetings with females without his wife present.

it’s not a game for young men now

Pontius Navigator 21st Jan 2019 07:47

A colleague of mine, found not guilty, was in the reverse situation and charged with molesting a 'wife of'.

Regardless of the truth of the matter there were no witnesses and he was court martialled. The young man was sensible and got witnesses.

ORAC 21st Jan 2019 07:52

I presume he stood to attention throughout the track?

vascodegama 21st Jan 2019 08:16

Legally this is a case of sexual harassment, by coincidence there is a programme available on BBC iPlayer which covers this very subject. Women want equal opportunity and they should get it, including any punishment for such misbehaviour.

ShyTorque 21st Jan 2019 08:25

As the military always says, one volunteer is worth ten pressed men.

(One could possibly make oneself available for the odd Thursday night....).

Tashengurt 21st Jan 2019 09:27


Originally Posted by vascodegama (Post 10366113)
Legally this is a case of sexual harassment, by coincidence there is a programme available on BBC iPlayer which covers this very subject. Women want equal opportunity and they should get it, including any punishment for such misbehaviour.

It's actually sexual assault. Gazza is currently on trial for similar. (Perhaps less?)

vascodegama 21st Jan 2019 09:50

TG

Fair point , although I would have thought that the harassment case would be easier to prove.

Tashengurt 21st Jan 2019 10:15


Originally Posted by vascodegama (Post 10366187)
TG

Fair point , although I would have thought that the harassment case would be easier to prove.

Harrassment generally requires a course of conduct to be pursued over two or more occassions (though not always)
Usually that covers unwanted calls, texts, visits etc but the list of possible behaviours is endless.
I think you're confusing the idea of sexual harrassment as defined in the Equality Act which generally governs workplace incidents.

The case and the comments it attracts are interesting in that they show a snapshot of how a change in attitude toward what were generally regarded as normal behaviours, driven by a vocal minority and a raft of legislation, can leave large portions of the population scratching their heads.

You can chart the change through film:
Weird science; "Are you sure you're only 15?"
Sexual assault. Lock her up.

Say anything; John Cusack tries to woo back his lover with a big stereo in her garden.
Stalking. 'cuffs on.

Any film where the protaganists have a drunken shag;
No consent when intoxicated. Rape. Lock (probably him. [Always is]) up.

I'm glad I'm married and well out of it.


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