I'm surprised the poor chap hasn't been offered counselling and a stress management course.

Having seen a photo of the "Perp".....she is welcome to drink at my end of the Bar anytime!

I stand ready to offer any sort of mentoring or counseling she might desire.


On a serious note....can we take a step back in time and consider this.

This incident would have seen as a case of drinking to excess and any resulting behavior shy of property damage, physical injury to another, or rendering oneself unfit for the next days duty.....would be. handled exactly like that at Unit Level and nothing more would be said.

These are Soldiers we are talking about here....this PC horse **** is just that.

Administer Company Punishment....warn her agains ANY repeats and move on.

If she straightens up and flies right....then there was a positive outcome.

How many of you....including myself....have done something extremely stupid while drinking way to much?

My escapade cost me and my entire Platoon three Months Restriction to Barracks when not engaged in Training.

I think you're confusing the idea of sexual harrassment as defined in the Equality Act which generally governs workplace incidents.

Is this not the workplace for them?

Yes but arguably this goes beyond simple sexual harrassment.

Stevef
 

[QUOTE: I like to think I've got bigger balls .......[/QUOTE]

Maybe that is why you were targeted?
Just saying.

Aaron.

1. Sensible of the chap on guard to get witnesses - avoids further problems if the rebuffed woman were to make a counter claim.
2. The woman was undoubtedly given a sound "Wise up and don't get so drunk that you lose your inhibitions in future" debrief as well as a 3 month warning.
3. Her mates should have looked after her and stopped her nonsense PDQ rather then letting her make such an idiot of herself.
4. The 'angry colleagues' who tipped off military police officers after learning that the woman was only handed a warning are the ones who should 'man up'. I imagine that they will have had a gypsy's to that effect?
5. The CO exercised sound judgement, in my opinion. All subordinates should have accepted his ruling - and not have gone squealing to the press.
6. Time to move on for all concerned.

It's a different world these days. Not saying better or worse , but different to the one most of us grew up in. The chap did exactly the right thing, it's not a cry for help but a request for witnesses.

BEagle - spot on!

This time I fully endorse Beags' offering to the letter!

Agreed, and in the past during Command appointments, 'there but for the grace of God' has crossed my mind when considering alcohol related issues given that like most, my friends and I enjoyed a beverage or 2 as JOs.

However, we are unfortunately no longer in an era where common sense and proportion can be taken into account when dealing with incidents. The Armed Forces push equality in all its aspects hard, and CDS is very anti-drink. Had the tables been turned and had it been a male on female rather than female on male issue I'm almost certain he'd be looking at a more serious outcome. Yes, it probably is 'one of those things' that most of us who joined in an earlier era would raise a smile at and think 'if only'. But it does nothing to convince me that the MOD has little more than a tick box mentality towards equality and discrimination.

If Bull Frogs had wings.......

The young lady got intoxicated and messed up....no one got harmed.

She got disciplined for her misconduct.

End of Story.

The Boys that talked out of school on the other hand......failed to place their trust in their Commander....that is inexcusable.

Perhaps they also need a bit of sage counsel by their RSM in terms Toms understand.

There must be quite a few Household Cavalry stables which need mucking out.... Perhaps the 'angry colleagues' will be...'happy' to (be) volunteer(ed) for such duty?

Also today, talking out of school is much easier. Not only do people now have phones, internet and farcebook, and they can blab at Will, that woman also had her photo in the Sun.

In earlier days you needed money for a call box and then had to find and queue for one. The NOTW lurid stories still surfaced but it was not as easy.

RCM .......Household Cavalry

I stand corrected.....but I bet other than headgear there is not much difference in the outcome!

In my distant and more foolish youth, as a junior pilot, we were on a short detachment at an overseas NATO airbase. Whilst drinking a cup of tea (in an attempt to offset a pint too many from earlier in the evening) I was offered a "Golden Globes" award at very close range from an attractive member of an allied force (you can read into that what you will). I was told later that I inadvertently disrespected the lady's kind offer by falling asleep on her sofa instead, much to the chagrin of the lady involved. I never lived it down with a certain Flight Commander of the time. He continued to remind me of it many years later.

These days I wouldn't do any different....my hobby is nodding off on the sofa. In these uncertain times, probably for the best anyway.

At least it was on the sofa, I hate to tell you were I once fell a sleep lol, she was not impressed, but I did have a good excuse.