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NutLoose 17th Jan 2019 11:41

I do hope the SAS guy in Kenya gets some recognition
 
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-hero-13863927

:D

Clockwork Mouse 17th Jan 2019 12:56

They don’t get recognition. They avoid it. Their reward is belonging. Consummate professional warriors.

SASless 17th Jan 2019 14:07

They get the right kind of recognition....the silent respectful kind those that know how dedicated these folks are.....what risks they take so often and we never hear about.

SAS and Delta are very much the same in that regard....as the OC Delta who stood up the unit had spent time with SAS and returned to the US Army fully understanding the doctrine by which the SAS operates.

Hand Salute to the Troopers in Kenya.....they once again stood up against them and prevailed.

ShyTorque 17th Jan 2019 15:27

We all need to be grateful that we have people willing to do this for us. Having worked alongside some of them (but only to fly them in and out of where they needed to be), I certainly am.

Less Hair 17th Jan 2019 15:31

Some very courageous Gentleman. You hope to have people like this next to you in a situation like that.

Old-Duffer 18th Jan 2019 06:40

Some years ago, a major and an SNCO from the Hereford Hooligans were sent to a West African country where the was 'a spot of bother' and the big man had been deposed whilst he was out of the country. The two soldiers assessed the situation and, to cut a long story short, enlisted the help of the local army and staged a successful counter coup.

The major was awarded a DSO but I'm not sure what the SNCO received.

Then, of course, there was the incident with the Lufthansa B737 way back in about 1978 or so when two men from Hereford attached themselves to the GSG 9 team. The major on that occasion received, IIRC correctly, an OBE and the NCO a BEM. The NCO wrote a book about it and made a TV programme, where he met the surviving terrorist in Sweden.

Of course during the trouble in Kenya a couple of years ago, a retired officer helped bring the siege of a shopping mall in Nairobi to a conclusion, whilst also saving some people who were in mortal danger - cant remember all the details, something like The Westlands Centre.

Old Duffer

double_barrel 18th Jan 2019 07:04

How do they avoid a blue-on-blue in these circumstances? The Kenyan response was vastly better than in the Westgate catastrophe when the army shot the police response unit and then went on a looting and drinking spree leaving the bad guys bored and frustrated on the top floor. But it was still a very random disorganised response. So I cannot imagine that there was any awareness of the presence of foreign SF guys by the local responders.

Fareastdriver 18th Jan 2019 08:34

I don't know what the S A S's problem is because there are thousands of them. I know this because every other person I meet in a pub has whispered.

"I shouldn't really tell you this, but I used to be in the S A S."

Chris Kebab 18th Jan 2019 09:04

...that might actually say more about the types of boozers you frequent FarEast!

Davef68 18th Jan 2019 09:07


Originally Posted by Old-Duffer (Post 10363755)
Of course during the trouble in Kenya a couple of years ago, a retired officer helped bring the siege of a shopping mall in Nairobi to a conclusion, whilst also saving some people who were in mortal danger - cant remember all the details, something like The Westlands Centre.

First civillian GC (i.e. non-serving Police or Military) since the mid 70s, but the chap was not an ordinary civvie either!

He seems to have been involved again in this attack
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yan-hotel.html


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...iege-2fsjqzljh

NutLoose 18th Jan 2019 09:09

Did any of you watch the SAS programme last week talking to ex and serving members, it was fascinating, they talked about the plan to go into Argentina to take out the Super Etendards while a couple of them were tasked to pop around the officers mess and kill as many pilots as possible after which they would leg it to Chile and surrender, they were taxying out in the Herc when a new radar was discovered so it was knocked on the head.
They also covered the rescue in Africa of the Army captives held by the West Side Boys, one telling the tale that while it was all going on he brewed up his tea during the firefight,

double_barrel 18th Jan 2019 09:13


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 10363859)
First civillian GC (i.e. non-serving Police or Military) since the mid 70s, but the chap was not an ordinary civvie either!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...iege-2fsjqzljh

Lots of tales of this bloke's exploits in Nairobi. Including the time he was out jogging and a couple of thugs tried to rob him at gunpoint. That did not go well for them.

NutLoose 18th Jan 2019 09:29

https://www.britsinkenya.com/2019/01...-george-cross/

Lordflasheart 18th Jan 2019 09:43

Lucky for some ...
 
............

Lucky for some that our hero wasn't out 'shopping' in Waltham Abbey (Essex, UK) last Tuesday afternoon. ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46895779


Armed police were sent to reports of a woman pulled out of a car at gunpoint, only to learn it was a training exercise run by a private company.
Might have had a slightly different outcome.

............

Tankertrashnav 18th Jan 2019 10:28


I don't know what the S A S's problem is because there are thousands of them. I know this because every other person I meet in a pub has whispered.

"I shouldn't really tell you this, but I used to be in the S A S."
Owning a shop selling militaria for a number of years I used to get "nose tappers" like this on a regular basis. A few well chosen questions would have revealed the truth very quickly, but I just used to let them ramble on, they were harmless, after all.

Hydromet 18th Jan 2019 10:47

At one time my CO, RSM and Chaplain were all ex-SAS. Even the Chaplain was far from the least frightening soldier I've ever met. I've also had SAS as 'enemy' on exercises. Bloody glad they are on our side.

Davef68 18th Jan 2019 11:17


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10363860)
Did any of you watch the SAS programme last week talking to ex and serving members, it was fascinating, they talked about the plan to go into Argentina to take out the Super Etendards while a couple of them were tasked to pop around the officers mess and kill as many pilots as possible after which they would leg it to Chile and surrender, they were taxying out in the Herc when a new radar was discovered so it was knocked on the head.
,

Ewen Southby-Tailyour's account of those operations is worth a read (especially if you have a Knidle as it's just over a £1 at the moment). Less sensational than other accounts.


gr4techie 18th Jan 2019 12:54


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 10363827)
I don't know what the S A S's problem is because there are thousands of them. I know this because every other person I meet in a pub has whispered.

"I shouldn't really tell you this, but I used to be in the S A S."

The Iranian Embassy must have one big balcony to fit all the 1000s who claim to have been there !

GeeRam 18th Jan 2019 13:50


Originally Posted by gr4techie (Post 10364034)
The Iranian Embassy must have one big balcony to fit all the 1000s who claim to have been there !

Back then, I used know the ex-SAS NCO that directly rang Hereford from a phone box to tip off the Regt about the siege starting, as my late father was a fellow Met. Police dog handler at the time. I think Dusty was about 4 or 5 years younger than my Dad at the time, so I would think he'll be almost 90 now if he's still with us. I last saw him probably 84/85-ish just before my old man retired from the Met.

The Old Fat One 18th Jan 2019 14:05


... while a couple of them were tasked to pop around the officers mess and kill as many pilots as possible...
...pretty much doing exactly this in North Africa in WW2. If you read the early biographies (I recommend Pleydell's ) not everyone was completely happy about it.

Archimedes 18th Jan 2019 14:25


Originally Posted by Old-Duffer (Post 10363755)
Some years ago, a major and an SNCO from the Hereford Hooligans were sent to a West African country where the was 'a spot of bother' and the big man had been deposed whilst he was out of the country. The two soldiers assessed the situation and, to cut a long story short, enlisted the help of the local army and staged a successful counter coup.

The major was awarded a DSO but I'm not sure what the SNCO received.


Old Duffer

Looking at the date the DSO was dated (it was Gazetted 14 years later) and assuming another late Gazetting for the same date is relevant, I’d say probably an MM for the two NCOs (hidden away in London Gazettes in the late 1990s alongside the awards for the SF participants in Granby)

chopper2004 18th Jan 2019 16:49

Mystery S-92 to the rescue
 
Well deserved recognition...

One of the mystery (albeit contracted out AAR) S-92 that hasbeen sighted in Djibouti and more recently in Syria ...was on scene fast response ....that day

Suicide Bombing Kills U.S. Troops In Syria, Mysterious S-92 Helicopter Seen Evacuating Casualties (Updated) - The Drive

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....48780d634.jpeg



MPN11 18th Jan 2019 18:03


Originally Posted by Davef68 (Post 10363972)
Ewen Southby-Tailyour's account of those operations is worth a read (especially if you have a Knidle as it's just over a £1 at the moment). Less sensational than other accounts.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00QVZPRBK/

Purchased at £1.19 ... thanks for the heads up.


charliegolf 18th Jan 2019 18:36


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 10363827)
I don't know what the S A S's problem is because there are thousands of them. I know this because every other person I meet in a pub has whispered.

"I shouldn't really tell you this, but I used to be in the S A S."

Probably true that anyone who says he is, isn't! Back to Kenya, could a been a bad day to decide to be a terrorist- pity he didn't get up close and personal with them.

CG

A and C 18th Jan 2019 22:09

Never tell
 
I have never has a British special forces member tell me that they have been in one of the units and it is only after knowing the guys for a considerable number of years have I had my suspicions the guys are ex SAS/SBS but even so I have never been told.

I even worked on a project that was clearly for the SF and all the guys just said they were attached to the MoD.

When someone tells me that they have been part of the special forces I take the view that it is highly unlikely they are as they say .

dead_pan 18th Jan 2019 22:32


When someone tells me that they have been part of the special forces I take the view that it is highly unlikely they are as they say .
Then of course there's the arch blagger-in-chief David Davies, who would regale anyone who'd listen that he too had served in the SAS, albeit only in their reserves for a few months while he revised for his A-level retakes. Hardly the stuff of legend but hey, who knows how many people he slotted? Probably less than those who expired listening to his interminable anecdotes

NutLoose 19th Jan 2019 04:05

I seem to remember one on a Puma course kept getting his berets nicked.

NutLoose 19th Jan 2019 04:08

Chopper see

Unmasking The S-92 Mystery Helicopter In Syria Which Was Spotted Again Near Raqqa - The Drive

sitigeltfel 19th Jan 2019 05:21


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10364278)

Purchased at £1.19 ... thanks for the heads up.


You're being ripped off, €1.04 (£0.92) here !

;)

Krystal n chips 19th Jan 2019 05:54


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10363928)
Owning a shop selling militaria for a number of years I used to get "nose tappers" like this on a regular basis. A few well chosen questions would have revealed the truth very quickly, but I just used to let them ramble on, they were harmless, after all.

Alas, not all members of the Regiment are quite so, erm, subtle.

" Some time ago " stood on deck waiting to enter Hull from Rotterdam and the tranquillity is rudely shattered when I am joined by a " somewhat dishevelled " individual who asks if I'm "mob " There are times when it's better not to make conversation as we know, and this was one such .

Having briefly confirmed I am, he duly informs me he is "SAS mate"and further expands that he's been on an "op " in Germany.....interspersed with repeatedly gobbing over the side....he asks why we are stationary and I mention we are in the lock.....thus his next question was...."wots a lock ?"......I thought it wise not to be too expansive with the answer whilst slowly relocating further up the deck....finally, our hero asks my destination and, as I'm heading for Manchester and he, it turns out, Blackpool, could he, erm, follow me out of ' ull. Could be wrong, but, I think the navigational skills of the SAS do enable them the follow large blue signs saying "Manchester M62 "......priceless as they say.

Hydromet 19th Jan 2019 06:33


I seem to remember one on a Puma course kept getting his berets nicked.
I would have thought that would be taking a bit of a risk.

KelvinD 19th Jan 2019 07:04

K&C: Someone was having you on chief!

tarantonight 19th Jan 2019 08:32

Not Wrong There Mate..........
 

Originally Posted by gr4techie (Post 10364034)


The Iranian Embassy must have one big balcony to fit all the 1000s who claim to have been there !

I could hardly get through the window there were so many of us.........

I know a bloke who is / was in the TA who once told me the SAS are all well and good, but when it comes to proper hand to hand street fighting they’re rubbish.

I saw him recently and as he is still walking the earth I assume he hasn’t put his theory to the test......

Mind you, misunderstandings can occur. I remember the time I was bought loads of beers when I once mentioned I was a member of the SAS during a night out.

The mood turned somewhat sour when it became clear I was talking about the Suffolk Antique Society. Didn’t know I could run so fast..........

TN.

MPN11 19th Jan 2019 09:28

I had a mate who was a 'special copper' ... Diplomatic Protection and other stuff. I knew he was genuine, especially when I saw him on TV looking armed and dangerous in the doorway next to the Iranian Embassy

Wensleydale 19th Jan 2019 09:46

Many years ago at a secret ISTAR base in Lincolnshire, there was a joint exercise/briefing, and some members of the SAS and the SBS were to be found in the bar. They were in deep discussion about which unit was the "hardest" when one of the Sqn AEOs (who just happened to have an artificial leg) took out his dinghy knife and stabbed it into his leg (the plastic one) with the comment of "Hard - I'll show you hard". He then limped out. His comment afterwards... "I write off more legs that way.."

Penny Washers 19th Jan 2019 10:32

Forgive my cynicism here, but isn't this story too good to be true? He just happened . . . . etc etc.

And there just happened to be a photographer there to take an ideally posed photo of him in action.

thunderbird7 19th Jan 2019 10:41


Originally Posted by Wensleydale (Post 10364792)
Many years ago at a secret ISTAR base in Lincolnshire, there was a joint exercise/briefing, and some members of the SAS and the SBS were to be found in the bar. They were in deep discussion about which unit was the "hardest" when one of the Sqn AEOs (who just happened to have an artificial leg) took out his dinghy knife and stabbed it into his leg (the plastic one) with the comment of "Hard - I'll show you hard". He then limped out. His comment afterwards... "I write off more legs that way.."

If thats the same KR, he was on my OCU crew. I remember the arrival (2 legged) beer call (or rather dont) and then him turning up late for a lecture the next day with one leg and me thinking "bloody hell I know it was a good beer call but what did HE get up to!!!'. Before common sense and sobriety prevailed...

SpringHeeledJack 19th Jan 2019 10:49


Forgive my cynicism here, but isn't this story too good to be true? He just happened . . . . etc etc.

And there just happened to be a photographer there to take an ideally posed photo of him in action.
Everyone, including Kenyans have smartphones these days that can provide decent quality film and photos, especially in small format news publishing. You can be sure that unpixellated versions of the footage are on the net somewhere, so ironically this chap will get a bit too much recognition for this caper...I met a couple of Ozzie SAS chaps some years back, who were discretely straightforward, but became uncomfortable by my youthfully naive enthusiasm in questioning them in greater depth.

The Old Fat One 19th Jan 2019 10:52


Forgive my cynicism here, but isn't this story too good to be true? He just happened . . . . etc etc.
The AEO with the artificial leg is true...bloody good bloke as well. Didn't witness said story first hand, but I heard it and variations previously. Don't think anybody mentioned a photographer?

NutLoose 19th Jan 2019 11:56


so ironically this chap will get a bit too much recognition for this caper...
One of the reports say that he was pulled out of country soon afterwards due to the worry he could be easily identified now.


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