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Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
(Post 10359050)
Of course It isn't secret, but the pompous old farts of PPruNe, none more so than the even more pompous and even older and fartier Mil Aviation regulars love to do this stuff...
How’s your New Year’s resolution to be better-humoured working out? :) |
Laarbruch 72
the RAF of the 1960s and 70s Pot calling the pot black? |
The OLIVE recce missions have several other airborne platforms including this RC-135U out of Souda Bay today:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f99622cf94.jpg |
Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
(Post 10359050)
Of course It isn't secret, but the pompous old farts of PPruNe, none more so than the even more pompous and even older and fartier Mil Aviation regulars love to do this stuff; Hint heavily that they were privy to hush hush stuff, while really openly stating where, when and who it was that they "definitely didn't see". Just so you know they were actually there, so you can doff your cap to them. It's just a form of attention seeking really. If it was really secret, and someone was involved directly, it wouldn't be discussed here.
If you want to experience having a similar personality disorder, just hang around a bar wearing a veteran badge, occasionally touch your nose and say something like "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you", and you too can feel like BEagle and a lot of the other old wrecks that make up the Mil (or rather the RAF of the 1960s and 70s) forum. If your username is anything to go by then you too are an 'old fart' .. and it just goes to show how humourless one can become in old age. IF one does not frequent PPRuNe often enough !! Happy whinging Mr Meldrew. |
cargosales
I do so agree. Hopefully the culprit will take his admonition and indeed his medications and return in a more positive frame of mind. NB. Take note that I am known as Captain Grumpy hereabouts, having inherited the title when the incumbent left the village. I am also the goulasch inspector for Europe, using the ten factor scheme introduced by my brother in law in 1980. |
Originally Posted by Laarbruch72
(Post 10359050)
Of course It isn't secret, but the pompous old farts of PPruNe, none more so than the even more pompous and even older and fartier Mil Aviation regulars love to do this stuff; Hint heavily that they were privy to hush hush stuff, while really openly stating where, when and who it was that they "definitely didn't see". Just so you know they were actually there, so you can doff your cap to them. It's just a form of attention seeking really. If it was really secret, and someone was involved directly, it wouldn't be discussed here.
If you want to experience having a similar personality disorder, just hang around a bar wearing a veteran badge, occasionally touch your nose and say something like "I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you", and you too can feel like BEagle and a lot of the other old wrecks that make up the Mil (or rather the RAF of the 1960s and 70s) forum. |
This was never there either
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So much for the keen eyesight requirement I reckon!
Shame another certain May had such a clear view of the World. |
Originally Posted by rjtjrt
(Post 10360140)
I think Laarbruch has a point. Many here have had interesting military careers, but there are a few pompous ones who you wonder if they have a carefully crafted RAF moustache, and insist on being known as Squadron Leader down at the pub. |
Originally Posted by harrryw
(Post 10360144)
This was never there either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-CO...R8UCx5_jgCGPyJ |
First one I saw was at Offutt AFB in mid May 1970 at their Open Day. A "Motor Glider" arrived and flew a couple of low slow circuits. Then changed to "Rocket Ship" to depart. Totally amazing! Also first sight of a Jumbo, which seemed to be flying very slowly. Made our Victor look very small.
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RAE Bedford TR-1 (U-2)Operations
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 10356373)
A ground party with a similar car was detached daily to RAE Bedford who had an agreement with Alconbury to be their 'COB' or' Combined Operating Base' but I didn't say that 'cos in never happened.
Come to think of it, didn't the first U2 to land in the UK land at Bedford? In fact what occurred during the training flights often having 2-3 in the circuit at a time ,was the 5.0-litre Mustangs chase cars would sit in a layby on the road between RAF Alconbury and RAE Bedford listen to ATC frequency as they only did go arounds so never needed the cars for the final talkdown. Bedford was earmarked at one point as being a master diversion for Alconbury for crosswind diversion,and this was to entail the resurfacing of our cross runway 24/06 (although all training was carried out on 27/09)by the United States government as our runways were made up by concrete blocks. As part of this task we had to provide the USAF our traffic movements at the base with a years worth of statistics for both runways,but nothing came of it. |
Betty Windsor signed the Official Secrets Bill thus transforming it into the Official Secrets Act whereas we mere mortals just signed a piece of paper certifying that we had read & understood the penalties specified in the Act for disclosing classified information to unauthorised bodies
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Originally Posted by Murty
(Post 10363633)
Being stationed at RAE Bedford (NATS provided the ATC for the MoD) from 1987-1991, the ground party and high speed car only ever came on base once when a TR-1 as they were known then did divert in and stayed overnight.
In fact what occurred during the training flights often having 2-3 in the circuit at a time ,was the 5.0-litre Mustangs chase cars would sit in a layby on the road between RAF Alconbury and RAE Bedford listen to ATC frequency as they only did go arounds so never needed the cars for the final talkdown. . Course it did mean when a TR1 landed at Farnborough for the airshow, I was the only one who wasn't surprised when the chase car entered the runway behind it; everyone else was panicking asking what he was doing! |
Just reading Aeroplane, Feb 2019 issue on the RAF's use of the U2, seems one flew Edwards to St Mawgan on 17 April 1969 (or perhaps it didn't if no one saw it ?) and they operated out of Kinloss in October 1969 (or again perhaps they didn't if no one saw them) any recollections from any one and pictures ????. They mention the St Mawgan aircraft ?? was due to fly during a Taceval on the 18 April 69 but was damaged by a fork lift truck and didn't participate, any info ?.
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As well as operating out of St Mawgan in October 1971 and Wattisham a year later using a U-2R, all using RAF pilots,
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As well as operating out of St Mawgan in October 1971 and Wattisham a year later using a U-2R, all using RAF pilots, |
How about that "unknown" helicopter that fetched up in ol' Bin Liiner's back garden just before he went to receive those virginal kisses?
Pretty neat False Information Plan by the SEAL's to place the wreckage there for the Pakistani's to flog to the highest bidder I reckon. |
...damaged by a fork lift truck...
It's likely the driver didn't see it.
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I was a member of the Royal Observer Corps on the St. Columb Post which was the nearest ROC unit to RAF St. Mawgan.. On April 17th, 1969 my Chief Observer saw the U-2 on approach to St. Mawgan. Later the same day a C-141 Starlifter also arrived ostensibly with hydraulic failure!. For anyone interested in military aviation St. Mawgan was often able to get some interesting movements and these days it is all to easy to forget that we still have an air force.
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Originally Posted by zetec2
(Post 10363963)
As well as operating out of St Mawgan in October 1971 and Wattisham a year later using a U-2R, all using RAF pilots,
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Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10364097)
How about that "unknown" helicopter that fetched up in ol' Bin Liiner's back garden just before he went to receive those virginal kisses?
Pretty neat False Information Plan by the SEAL's to place the wreckage there for the Pakistani's to flog to the highest bidder I reckon. |
Originally Posted by Tashengurt
(Post 10364169)
Isn't the consensus now that it acted as a handy excuse for Pakistan allowing the task force to enter unmolested?
Don't tell me that some other observers are now finally publically concurring with me regarding my independent assessments on PPruNe over nearly eight years now that the original "Stealth Blackhawk" cover story was pretty preposterous, as was the existence of it as an operational helicopter I am still happy to be corrected if this is not the case. P.S. Although it was glaringly obvious at the time, I restrained from involving in conjecture regarding " that it acted as a handy excuse for Pakistan allowing the task force to enter unmolested" |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 10363695)
Sorry got the wrong impression; the chase car was operating on the runway at Bedford one day when I visited and from what one of the Bedford controllers (AM) told me that day I thought it was a daily occurence.
Course it did mean when a TR1 landed at Farnborough for the airshow, I was the only one who wasn't surprised when the chase car entered the runway behind it; everyone else was panicking asking what he was doing! |
The Blackhawk crew and along with Bin Liner rode home in a Chinook.....was it a stealth model?
The Exfil is just as...or more dangerous than the Infil due to the locals. being aware of something going on in their patch. |
INTERESTING- National geographic history channel has a program on Have blue- Oxcart- F117 and other non existant stuff at area 51- but so far no sign of sound and photo stage of the moon landing . . .or ET propulsion systems . ..
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Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10357231)
Bizarre negative posts are actually quite common here you know.:E
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10355804)
Nearly got killed in a car crash by the head of U2 operations in Cyprus back in 1977. The detachment had had just been allowed to start going off the SBA and he came out to Cyprus on a visit and he, along with the detachment commander, came up to 280SU on a curtesy call as we provided their radar surveillance. The plan was to meet in the mess and go down to Kakpetria for a meze in their SUV. What we were unaware of was that they had been drinking all afternoon. Halfway down the mountain the car left the road, rolled down a slope and ended up in a storm drain on its roof. Thankfully the water only half filled the interior and we were able to kick out the windscreen. In the car along with the two of them were me and, IIRC, HW. Police attended, taken to hospital, lots of urgent telephone calls and both the Americans were off the island in 12 hours. Shortly after the det had another crash off base which killed two female schoolteachers and injured two of their pilots. That left them so short they flew in another to maintain their flying schedule. He was the one who took out the ATC tower, Ops and Met office on his first take-off. They got got barred from going base again after that. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10364493)
The Blackhawk crew and along with Bin Liner rode home in a Chinook.....was it a stealth model?
The Exfil is just as...or more dangerous than the Infil due to the locals. being aware of something going on in their patch. https://theaviationist.com/2011/05/18/mh-47x/ https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8e8966c88c.jpg |
Janet
Never saw Janet on approached McCarran on the day after Heli Expo last year....
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f1c63f5c9b.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....22800c790b.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7f4f762453.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3396afe1a7.jpg |
Janet don't half do a steep turn when she's got the gear up out of McCarran.
"Holy ****e'" thought I on seeing her taking off many years ago while in Vegas - "...who's the hot-dogging 737 driver?" Then I recognised the red stripe and lack of logos. Destination Groom... |
Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 10366009)
Janet don't half do a steep turn when she's got the gear up out of McCarran.
"Holy ****e'" thought I on seeing her taking off many years ago while in Vegas - "...who's the hot-dogging 737 driver?" Then I recognised the red stripe and lack of logos. Destination Groom... Then again remember the Vegas shooter? Apparently he was aiming for the fuel tanks next to JANET facility at McCarran...says investigators... https://nypost.com/2017/10/05/vegas-...es-fuel-tanks/ cheers |
I sometimes land at Yekaterinburg, as Sverdlovsk is now known. This is the place where a certain Frank Powers got shot down on May 1 1960. There is an IFR waypoint named 'DEBRI' south east of the airfield, and I wonder if this is where his U-2 ended up. Does anyone know? certainly seems a possibility. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 10364493)
The Blackhawk crew and along with Bin Liner rode home in a Chinook.....was it a stealth model?
The Exfil is just as...or more dangerous than the Infil due to the locals. being aware of something going on in their patch. Couple of years ago, I was out in my back garden killing slugs at 4.25am when a couple of them went westbound on H3 which passes just north of my home; compared to other Chinooks (we get them frequently to/from Odiham) they were barely audible and this was only from about one mile away. |
Originally Posted by Murty
(Post 10364465)
Yes I know who you mean I think more commonly (TM) I believe
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Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 10367549)
There are some VERY quiet Chinooks around.
Couple of years ago, I was out in my back garden killing slugs at 4.25am when a couple of them went westbound on H3 which passes just north of my home; compared to other Chinooks (we get them frequently to/from Odiham) they were barely audible and this was only from about one mile away. |
Yes. Of course.
Yes. |
On the U2 there is a fascinating article in Aeroplane this month that points out there were plans for the UK to acquire them, the last one being in 89 ish when six of the recon platforms were in the offing as competition against the eventual winner the business jet Sentinal we use today. |
Same Chinooks - just different atmospheric conditions on the day. |
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