Mind you, May always says "pleece" rather than "police"

If it's true English accentuation that you seek, try reading something very old exactly as written. :rolleyes:

Kings of the sky
 

>>> rather good - apart from the '4-point barrel roll' guff. <<<
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment. :ok:

Indeed, Sleeve Wing. But it is indeed an excellent programme.

Blacksheep, I'm not saying that everyone should speak like Jacob Rees-Mogg. But lazy 'estuary' English which has no real regional origin is to be deplored.

Another pet hate: 'garage' pronounced as 'garridge' - which it seems is now part of the Islington luvvies' lexicon. Even the Americans pronounce it guh'rarge.

Teachers, please take your pupils' phones off them and beat them into the correct use of English. Like...

...and while you are at it, stop beginning every sentence with "So", particuly during the month of Feburee.

Really enjoying the series but.

So, to carry on the theme, 'breggsit' really irritates me.

Very much enjoying the series. When they said last week that they were selecting TWO new pilots, I guess they were assuming Starky would be back this year?

"Outside of", anyone? Utterly endemic these days, even on the Beeb. :mad:

English is a developing borrowing language and change is inevitable, especially so with the rise of global media. If it were not, we would still be using Dr Johnsons dictionary - but not the one Baldrick burned. I'm a native English speaker, but having lived overseas for the last 16 years, my language had changed slightly with my environment. For example, I often use 'cheque' (not check!) instead of bill and my accent must have changed as I'm sometimes mistaken for being Australian (horror of horrors!). Change is inevitable - you can't resist it!

And ban the word "upcoming"!

WIV !! (cockneys aside)

And OK Dan, but I don't necessarily welcome all of it.

Please could you explain why the manoeuvre was not a "4-point barrel roll"? And if not, what would you call it and why?

A "barrel roll" is a rolling manoeuvre that is quite lazy and gentle and describes a path that you could imagine being around a barrel in the sky. A 4 point roll describes a roll maintaining the same height and direction but stopping (momentarily) at each 90 degrees of the roll ie after the first stop you are "knife edge" - the second stop you are inverted etc etc. There is no such thing as a "4-point barrel roll".

The Reds expect the highest level of flying ability from Team members. Anyone guilty of anything questionable is dropped immediately and replaced (or the Team carries on with 8). Some scrapes are accepted as risks (Synchro mid air with Montenegro and Ling) but stuff up a forced landing or turn back and you're gone. The Valley incident was such a very unfortunate accident but the surviving pilot will not return to the Reds IMHO. I hope he does actually.

I understand a "4 point roll" is an aileron roll with stops every 90 degrees - but the roll the pilot performed clearly wasn't an aileron roll because he used elevator. He clearly pitches up about 20 degrees before inputting aileron, and in fact he says that's what he does when he explains the move with the models. And to me it looked like a barrel roll - similar to the one they perform in 'Roll Backs', but with hesitations every 90 degrees. It's clearly not a full-deflection aileron-roll like they perform in the 'Revolution' manoeuvre. So doesn't that make it a "four point barrel roll"? Or is there another name for a barrel-roll incorporating hesitations every 90 degrees that they should have used?

I wouldn't have thought it would be appropriate for a pilot to return to the team with the BoI still ongoing?

I don't remember so much hugging in the RAF?
Also, how did an LAC get on the reds?!

With others, and in the company of two ex-leaders, I watched the Reds at RIAT last year. Not good.. very large gaps, uneven formation keeping, and an upward burst?. Really disappointing; and the ex chaps kept shtum!

That said, an excellent TV production.

Agreed, an excellent production. But it made me feel old, very old, when one of the 2019 season newbies mentioned (with no hint of irony, indeed with some pride) that he and his wife had a "vision board" in their kitchen, which in his case had had a picture of the Reds on it.

Can't imagine anyone of our generation having a "vision board" in their kitchen.

There again, perhaps Beags had one - with a piccie of Section Officer Harvey on it !

You know you're old when the Flt Lt mate you got pissed with at happy hour is the AOC doing the PDA...

I was, quite by chance in the hospitality tent at Kemble for the 40th anniversary of the Gnat and watched the then current team, surrounded by former leaders and team members. Lotts of "62 out there" and so on. Enlightening experience

With a few thousand members of the general public, and in the company of my (difficult to impress) Wife , I also watched the Reds at RIAT last year..
We all thought they were magnificent.:)

I thought the whole series came across very well; particularly Red 1 who showed a really good level of commitment, understanding, grit & compassion.

Not quite sure how much good all the hugging between senior female to junior males achieves?
On hearing certain charges, objectivity might prove difficult.

Overall, a "hit" with me.

lsh
:E

He is probably an SAC tech :E because if you watch the current careers advert for the RAF featuring the Dead Sparrows, it follows some girl around and announces her name and job as RAF technician at the end... except her rank is SAC, so she is a mechanic, the Technician these days is denoted by the ring around the prop.

I thought the whole programme was excellent (éclat!!). Good insight as to how that iconic team operates. Particularly impressed with Mr Ling going from a desk to PDA as Red 3 in 6 weeks. Bloody amazing and well deserving of the Honourable Company of Air Pilot's award he won last October.
Brilliant stuff - Well done everyone and thoughts are with the Family of Cpl Jonathan Bayliss (RIP).
Good wishes for the future to all inc David Stark.

phil9560

Good - I'm pleased to hear that. Quite possibly a different day and display.

Train Station get's my hackles up. I use to use a Railway Station.

Skedule, Train Station and now..... Stores!!
 

My wife advised me that she was going shopping. I had to remind her that was she actually going storing as there no shops left, only stores. Right, off now to buy the Haddock and Chips from the Chip Store..... Er, which way out?....

Slightly off track, but it is a Rumour Site. I followed a small convoy of civvy flatbed trucks carrying Red Arrows GSE to RAF Leeming yesterday. Hmmmm........................................

Red Arrows: Kings Of The Sky (USA Tour)
 

which starts on Channel 5 on Weds 9th Jan 2019 at 9pm, the series lasts for six weeks.

Should be very interesting and enjoyable.

Same old, or something completely different to all the other RAFAT programmes? ;)