New British Overseas Bases
On top of the base in Bahrain... Sunday Telegraph: ”Britain will open two new military bases in the Caribbean and South East Asia as the country looks to step up its military presence overseas after Brexit, Gavin Williamson has revealed........ A source close to Mr Williamson said the new bases could be sited in Singapore or Brunei in the South China Sea, or Montserrat or Guyana in the Caribbean “within the next couple of years”..... The bases would have service and maintenance staff, supply ships and equipment sites there....... |
Yay! The return of overseas postings to nice sunny places! :)
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Montserrat please...:cool: you know the place where half the island is an exclusion zone due to a big volcano! Here is Plymouth City, the old capital, which was wrecked with pyroclastic flows and ash in 1997. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c509fbff33.jpg So British Guiana (spelling) makes more sense, with it also being good for a bit of equitorial space launch work. :ok: |
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10347222)
Montserrat please...:cool: you know the place where half the island is an exclusion zone due to a big volcano! Here is Plymouth City, the old capital, which was wrecked with pyroclastic flows and ash in 1997. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c509fbff33.jpg Mind you, a base there would have less security problems than most. |
Yup, Georgetown in Guyana (part of old British Guiana) looks far more inviting... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....99a30c30d7.jpg |
Barbados would get my vote. |
Guyana has got form. There used to be a RAF flight No 1310, out there in 1965/6.
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Where on earth is all the money coming from to pay for this? The treasury normally makes Scrooge look like a profligate spender when it comes to MoD matters so unless it's coming out of the overseas aid budget what's being (further) cut to pay for it?
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Note use of the word "may" in the article
It's another mad publicity puff for Gavin Williamson in his demented campaign to run for Leader of the Tory Party when Mrs May goes He's currently spewing out a couple a week - remember the British Warship sent to frighten the Russians last week? The Chinese threat to UK telephones this week?? Probably activate the QE against the immigrant hordes by Thursday........... Worse than Heseltine when he was Defence Secretary and started each week by asking what the schedule was for his photo-ops..................... |
Last tine I looked, Guyana wasn't in the Caribbean; it's on the Atlantic; Tobago would make more sense.:ok:
2740m (9000ft) runway, recently upgraded ATC and an ILS installed, regular commuter flights to Piarco (Trinidad), convenient for Venezuala to see what Russian aircraft are visiting.;) |
I would argue that Tortola is better placed and it is British.
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I think that a little place called Belize might still be available. A lick of paint and a few copters and we will be a world power once again. |
If Belize is re-activated - you'll need Harriers again!
Can we get some out of the boneyard? I am available to re-train anytime after tomorrow. |
The advantage of Singapore is that it built docks specifically to accommodate USN carriers, so the QE and PoW can moor alongside. Georgetown is just starting to build a deep water harbour with jetties to accommodate the largest cruise liners, so an agreement could also see suitable mornings being available there as well. |
I do hope they don't screw up my plans to vacate to St Helena by expanding [ok actually get working] the airport there...
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Originally Posted by ORAC
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The advantage of Singapore is that it built docks specifically to accommodate USN carriers, so the QE and PoW can moor alongside. Georgetown is just starting to build a deep water harbour with jetties to accommodate the largest cruise liners, so an agreement could also see suitable mornings being available there as well. |
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Why would Singapore want a UK base? I can’t really see what our Navy could possibly offer them? |
Originally Posted by hunterboy
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Why would Singapore want a UK base? I can’t really see what our Navy could possibly offer them? Long read here on the challenges and merits of the argument - https://thinpinstripedline.********....l-britain.html |
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10347233)
Yup, Georgetown in Guyana (part of old British Guiana) looks far more inviting... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....99a30c30d7.jpg I suppose it might have changed but I wouldn't go back. |
Originally Posted by PapaDolmio
(Post 10347827)
Don't let appearances fool you - did 6 weeks on det out there in 98. It's a dump.
I suppose it might have changed but I wouldn't go back. |
Ah yes, I remember British Guiana, for I was a co-pilot in Hastings 340 from RAF Colerne that landed at Atkinson Air Force Base (Georgetown) in June 1964. We were on a training flight the purpose of which was to give crews experience of aerodromes that might be used if we were to establish a 'slip' pattern to support the rapid positioning of troops to quell insurgencies.
The plan was to visit the NAAFI that supported the British Army outpost based by the aerodrome so as to acquire relatively inexpensive booze that we would take with us to our next stop in Barbados for a party that had been arranged by the RAF Association. First we had to night-stop, and were just being welcomed into the Mess on the first floor of a building when an insurgent in the adjacent jungle opened up on us with a machine-gun. Our army hosts hit the floor instantly and we were no more than a few nano-seconds behind them! The threat was contained, thought I don't remember how, and - a little jittery - we all repaired to bed on the ground floor. Early in the morning whilst we were still asleep there was sudden BANG just outside our dormitory that got us awake in an instant! This was not a renewed assault on us but a starter cartridge being fired to get a Whirlwind helicopter engine going. We had no idea that the aircraft had been parked there overnight! We didn't tarry that morning but bought the drinks and scurried off to Barbados were we were forced to extend our stay to avoid some rather nasty weather that was brewing. And so I do remember British Guiana, but wouldn't criticise it based upon my experience there more than half a century ago! |
Having experienced Belize City in the 1970s, with such highlights as Sweetwater canal, I would hesitate to criticise Georgetown. I rather enjoyed my 10 weeks there. |
Originally Posted by Jimlad1
(Post 10347574)
UK already has a base in Singapore.
Long read here on the challenges and merits of the argument - https://thinpinstripedline.********....l-britain.html Thin Pinstriped Line: Global Bases for a Global Britain? |
I always regarded Belize as a dump; until I went to the Solomon Islands.
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And of course we’ll need another Group HQ to look after these....another 2*, lots of 1*s etc...great :ugh: Given a quiz to guess how many Groups are actually in the RAF today, I suspect even those serving would struggle (Clue...a number between 5 & 7)...keep awake at the back now ! |
Why would we need an RAF presence, let alone a group, for a naval supply base? Might need a couple of suppliers in exchange to support aircraft spares I suppose... |
Definitely a touch of Mboto Gorge about this story, watch out for the sharpened guava fruit.
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Originally Posted by BomberH
(Post 10347419)
If Belize is re-activated - you'll need Harriers again!
Can we get some out of the boneyard? I am available to re-train anytime after tomorrow. |
There I was thinking the US Army could pick the world's worst places to locate a Base.....the RAF must be learning from my Army!
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Looking at satellite photos it would appear Gan is being used again; it's labelled 'Gan International Airport' and there are a few light aircraft visible along with traces of recent work at the western end of the runway which appears to have 3 thresholds marked on it!
Then there's also the airfield built on the British owned but US operated Diego Garcia; appears to have plenty of spare parking space, surely the Americans wouldn't object to an RAF contingent there (or would it disrupt the operations which they carry out and which we're not supposed to know about) |
There is always the Guantanamo, Cuba base (Gitmo) the Americans continue to operate that has a very nice airfield with lots of room to expand, a second disused air field that could be re-opened, Port facilities, and harbor.....along with some very secure housing going mostly empty.
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Originally Posted by SASless
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There is always the Guantanamo, Cuba base (Gitmo) the Americans continue to operate that has a very nice airfield with lots of room to expand, a second disused air field that could be re-opened, Port facilities, and harbor.....along with some very secure housing going mostly empty.
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Are the Defence ministers raving mad? We cannot even man / person our ships or recruit for the army yet dreams of empire resurface. Surely there are enough real threats around without dreaming of expansion........ I thought the two carriers were a step too far but really ................... !
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Re-open RAF Wick'.
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 10349177)
Are the Defence ministers raving mad? We cannot even man / person our ships or recruit for the army yet dreams of empire resurface. Surely there are enough real threats around without dreaming of expansion........ I thought the two carriers were a step too far but really ................... !
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Re-open RAF Wick'. In September 1964, Wick was re- opened for a major exercise, when I had just started the MOTU course at Kinloss. The more advanced students on MOTU were formed into crews with their instructors, but we lowly beginners found ourselves at Wick organising accomodation, rationing and anything else needed. We also combined controlling the rabbit population with providing fresh meat to the mess kitchens. |
Originally Posted by oxenos
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Been there, done that.
In September 1964, Wick was re- opened for a major exercise, when I had just started the MOTU course at Kinloss. The more advanced students on MOTU were formed into crews with their instructors, but we lowly beginners found ourselves at Wick organising accomodation, rationing and anything else needed. We also combined controlling the rabbit population with providing fresh meat to the mess kitchens. It was only de-mobbed in '98. |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 10349722)
Stornoway was re-built in the 80s at great expense (including extending the runway to 2135m from its 'standard' 1829m) for major exercises; trouble is we don't have Buccaneers any more and the Tornado is on its way out.
It was only de-mobbed in '98. |
The Sergeant's Mess at Gan is a lot nicer now than it was back in the day - and even then it was the best place to stay on the island.
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