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Vendee 28th Dec 2018 12:09

Tornado GR4 last flight
 
I assume that the out of service date for the GR4 is still March/April time? Does anyone know if there is a set timetable and will there be some sort of flypast of past and present Tornado bases or any other event planned to mark the end of this excellent aircraft's distinguished service?

nipva 28th Dec 2018 13:23

Not many 'past' GR operating bases left. Bruggen, Laarbruch, Honington, & Cottesmore have all ceased flying. Even the peripheral GR hosts such as Bedford and St Athan have also wound down with only UWAS still flying from St Athan. So sadly, that leaves just Lossiemouth and Marham with perhaps a nod to Boscombe Down. .

TEEEJ 28th Dec 2018 19:15

RAF Marham have organised a photo shoot on January 25th. I would imagine that all the places have been allocated.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc1b59bae5.jpg

NutLoose 28th Dec 2018 19:19

Bollox, another shoot missed :( it would be nice to see some go to museums instead of the U.K. PLC's normal sell for scrap or to high a price for most museums.
It's all well and good trying to get back the maximum profit for the UK but sometimes that is to the detriment of future of the UK's aviation history, the F3 was an example, very few survived.

HaveQuick2 28th Dec 2018 19:46

Just 16 F3s remain according to this list (out of a couple of hundred?)

ZE168 (N) Private Thorpe Wood, Selby
ZE204 FC, 25 Sqn marks Fire School Manston Fire School
ZE256 TP, also wears 'ZE343' Private Thorpe Wood, Selby
ZE340 GO, 9298M, 43 Sqn marks DSAE Cosford DSAE
ZE760 AP, 229 OCU marks Preserved, gate guard Coningsby
ZE836 36-12, MM7210 Museum Vigna di Valle, Italy
ZE887 GF, 43 Sqn marks Museum, inside Hendon, Barnet
ZE934 TA, 56 Sqn marks Museum, inside East Fortune, East Lothian
ZE936 (N) Museum Neatishead
ZE965 (N), 111 Sqn marks Private UK
ZE966 VT Preserved Hawarden - Chester Airport, Flintshire
ZE967 UT, 56/111 Sqn marks Preserved Leuchars, Fife
ZG751 Centre fuselage JARTS Boscombe Down
ZG795 (F) Stored Boscombe Down
ZH552 Preserved, gate guard Leeming
ZH553 RT, 56 Sqn marks Museum, outside Newquay Aerohub

List from Demobbed - Out of Service British Military Aircraft

Lima Juliet 29th Dec 2018 18:57


Originally Posted by HaveQuick2 (Post 10346166)
Just 16 F3s remain according to this list (out of a couple of hundred?)

ZE168 (N) Private Thorpe Wood, Selby
ZE204 FC, 25 Sqn marks Fire School Manston Fire School
ZE256 TP, also wears 'ZE343' Private Thorpe Wood, Selby
ZE340 GO, 9298M, 43 Sqn marks DSAE Cosford DSAE
ZE760 AP, 229 OCU marks Preserved, gate guard Coningsby
ZE836 36-12, MM7210 Museum Vigna di Valle, Italy
ZE887 GF, 43 Sqn marks Museum, inside Hendon, Barnet
ZE934 TA, 56 Sqn marks Museum, inside East Fortune, East Lothian
ZE936 (N) Museum Neatishead
ZE965 (N), 111 Sqn marks Private UK
ZE966 VT Preserved Hawarden - Chester Airport, Flintshire
ZE967 UT, 56/111 Sqn marks Preserved Leuchars, Fife
ZG751 Centre fuselage JARTS Boscombe Down
ZG795 (F) Stored Boscombe Down
ZH552 Preserved, gate guard Leeming
ZH553 RT, 56 Sqn marks Museum, outside Newquay Aerohub

List from Demobbed - Out of Service British Military Aircraft

Missing from the list: ZA267 Tornado ADV in 25(F) Sqn markings at RAF Syerston. ZD889 Tornado F2 at Bury or emergency training. ZD900 is a Tornado F2 ground instructional airframe at RAF Lossiemouth. ZD936 Tornado F2 at the Boscombe Down Collection at Old Sarum. ZD938 is a Tornado F2 at Doncaster Museum.

So I make that 21 of the 165 Tornado ADVs that were made are still complete (there are more examples of cockpits and even an excellent complete simulator at Thorpe Camp) - so in excess of 12% preserved, which isn’t too bad really?

HaveQuick2 29th Dec 2018 19:28


Originally Posted by Lima Juliet (Post 10346795)


Missing from the list: ZA267 Tornado ADV in 25(F) Sqn markings at RAF Syerston. ZD889 Tornado F2 at Bury or emergency training. ZD900 is a Tornado F2 ground instructional airframe at RAF Lossiemouth. ZD936 Tornado F2 at the Boscombe Down Collection at Old Sarum. ZD938 is a Tornado F2 at Doncaster Museum.

So I make that 21 of the 165 Tornado ADVs that were made are still complete (there are more examples of cockpits and even an excellent complete simulator at Thorpe Camp) - so in excess of 12% preserved, which isn’t too bad really?

As I stated, that was a list of F3s (NOT F2s or ADVs)

NutLoose 30th Dec 2018 01:32

Errmmm, preserved isn't how I would describe all of those on the list

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/858/4...a1e3dc15_z.jpg
Panavia Tornado F3 - ZE204 by Liam Daniels, on Flickr

NutLoose 30th Dec 2018 01:33

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e3794eeed.jpg

Buster15 30th Dec 2018 14:18


Originally Posted by HaveQuick2 (Post 10346808)
As I stated, that was a list of F3s (NOT F2s or ADVs)

Understand the difference between F2 & F3 but both are ADVISED (Air Defence Variant).

57mm 30th Dec 2018 14:27

ADVs were employed by RSAF and were essentially F3s with post Granby mods and AWSMDS selectable on demand.

Buster15 30th Dec 2018 14:28


Originally Posted by Vendee (Post 10345926)
I assume that the out of service date for the GR4 is still March/April time? Does anyone know if there is a set timetable and will there be some sort of flypast of past and present Tornado bases or any other event planned to mark the end of this excellent aircraft's distinguished service?

It is difficult to overestimate the massive contribution that the Tornado has made to the UK as well as European air forces operations. Unfortunately for the UK it will soon fade into history.

I would therefore hope that the RAF will give this iconic jet a suitably respectful retirement and ensure that as many people as possible get the opportunity to say good by.

downsizer 30th Dec 2018 15:22

I reckon those hoping for a big flypast will probably be a little let down.

LOMCEVAK 30th Dec 2018 16:03

The final flight of the F3 was a 3-ship from Boscombe to Leeming via Coningsby and Leuchars. The final flight of a GR1 (ZA326) was a display role demo at Boscombe. The final flight of a F2 (ZD902,actually a highly modified F2A) was identified retrospectively when the Type Certificate was suddenly pulled one day! One pilot was involved in all 3 ....

weemonkey 30th Dec 2018 17:52


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10346972)
Errmmm, preserved isn't how I would describe all of those on the list

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/858/4...a1e3dc15_z.jpg
Panavia Tornado F3 - ZE204 by Liam Daniels, on Flickr

nice skidmark though...and they all walked away....

weemonkey 30th Dec 2018 17:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10346973)

Wow! how to have x tons land on your head without even thinking about it.

typerated 30th Dec 2018 18:38


Originally Posted by nipva (Post 10345957)
Not many 'past' GR operating bases left. Bruggen, Laarbruch, Honington, & Cottesmore have all ceased flying. Even the peripheral GR hosts such as Bedford and St Athan have also wound down with only UWAS still flying from St Athan. So sadly, that leaves just Lossiemouth and Marham with perhaps a nod to Boscombe Down. .


How about Mach Loop, Thirlmere, OLF Selkirk- Moffat pass, Spadeadam, Tain, Cowden, Donna, Wainfleet and Holbeach

Green Flash 30th Dec 2018 18:51


Originally Posted by typerated (Post 10347521)
How about Mach Loop, Thirlmere, OLF Selkirk- Moffat pass, Spadeadam, Tain, Cowden, Donna, Wainfleet and Holbeach

....and finish it all off by slapping a few live 1000lb's into Garvie?

chevvron 1st Jan 2019 12:35

In Oct 1986, I visited Bruggen on a sort of ATC camp without cadets, just a few adult staff the excuse being a looksee to see what the cadets would be doing the following summer. The last RAFG Jaguar Squadron stood down and was replaced by a Tornado Squadron that very week.
Seems such a short time ago now but please excuse my ignorance; what are the GR4s being replaced with?

Buster15 1st Jan 2019 13:28


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10348774)
In Oct 1986, I visited Bruggen on a sort of ATC camp without cadets, just a few adult staff the excuse being a looksee to see what the cadets would be doing the following summer. The last RAFG Jaguar Squadron stood down and was replaced by a Tornado Squadron that very week.
Seems such a short time ago now but please excuse my ignorance; what are the GR4s being replaced with?

Typhoon FGR4 is being updated to take on the Tornado role.

I spent some time at RAF Bruggen and Laarbruch. It was an extremely busy flying operation with (I think) four squadrons at each base and close to 100 jets.
Typhoon has extremely big boots to fill once Tornado is retired.

chevvron 1st Jan 2019 13:57

So the present Typhoon is emulating its namesake, the Hawker Typhoon ie originally designed to be a fighter but making its name as a useful tactical attack aircraft.
I believe it may have been 31 Sqdn at Bruggen but I can't positively be sure.

typerated 2nd Jan 2019 03:41


Originally Posted by Green Flash (Post 10347531)
....and finish it all off by slapping a few live 1000lb's into Garvie?

add a few more : Amble (Croquet Island), Jurby range , WD 8, MC 6, MC 9 - all back in the day

TEEEJ 8th Jan 2019 19:52

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f3d2b90b99.jpg

Vendee 8th Jan 2019 21:10

Nice to see the old girl back in her original colours.

Harley Quinn 8th Jan 2019 21:25


Originally Posted by Vendee (Post 10355502)
Nice to see the old girl back in her original colours.

Is it a full repaint or just the fin to save a few quid?

unmanned_droid 8th Jan 2019 21:35

Yes please thank you please.

Personally, I think this is the best scheme.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5ce54343f1.jpg

BEagle 9th Jan 2019 07:33

That 17(F) aircraft looks terrible! I hope that the 'final' GR4 looks rather better.

OldnDaft 9th Jan 2019 07:55


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 10355528)
Yes please thank you please.

Personally, I think this is the best scheme.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5ce54343f1.jpg

Had my back seater in CZ when I left 17(F) - Bill Hartree was the pilot. Thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

weemonkey 9th Jan 2019 07:57

Proper bomber. Under the Weather-Under the Radar...none of this poncing about at mid, :E get down until you see the fear in their eyes as the swept wing nemis outruns it's own sound...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2842fddac2.png

unmanned_droid 9th Jan 2019 08:24


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10355743)
That 17(F) aircraft looks terrible! I hope that the 'final' GR4 looks rather better.

Ok, the gauntlet is a bit manky but, this harks back to the interwar years.

Come on then, what's your pick of the GR schemes?

Vendee 9th Jan 2019 09:01


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 10355784)
Ok, the gauntlet is a bit manky but, this harks back to the interwar years.

Come on then, what's your pick of the GR schemes?

I think the scheme that TEEEJ posted above with the crests of all the sqns who operated her is fine. Other than that, perhaps the lovely E for Emma but I might be biased because my name was painted on her side.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4c6ec58b1c.jpg
Image copyright Squadron Prints.

snapper1 9th Jan 2019 09:25

My thanks to the GR4 crew for the flypast near Masham, North Yorkshire yesterday.

melmothtw 9th Jan 2019 10:51


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10355517)
Is it a full repaint or just the fin to save a few quid?

You can see from the image that it is more than just the fin.

Dan Gerous 9th Jan 2019 19:07


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 10355910)
You can see from the image that it is more than just the fin.

Looks more like light and shade on one shade of grey, on the curved contour of the fuselage.

andrewn 9th Jan 2019 19:14


Originally Posted by typerated (Post 10349309)
add a few more : Amble (Croquet Island), Jurby range , WD 8, MC 6, MC 9 - all back in the day

yep - I spent many an evening listening to Mission and Rafair flights on the scanner, routing back home from their nightly lowfly in Wales and the Lakes.

"Rafair 500, flight of 3 Tornadoes, exiting low level 20m South of Shawbury, looking for the Lichfield 180 then climb 270 direct MC6"

happy days

Fishtailed 13th Jan 2019 00:09


Originally Posted by nipva https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Not many 'past' GR operating bases left. Bruggen, Laarbruch, Honington, & Cottesmore have all ceased flying. Even the peripheral GR hosts such as Bedford and St Athan have also wound down with only UWAS still flying from St Athan. So sadly, that leaves just Lossiemouth and Marham with perhaps a nod to Boscombe Down. .
How about Mach Loop, Thirlmere, OLF Selkirk- Moffat pass, Spadeadam, Tain, Cowden, Donna, Wainfleet and Holbeach
It can't leave without visiting Warton and Samlesbury, we made it!! Thankfully the other users are keeping it flying for many years.

ShotOne 13th Jan 2019 05:43

Any display/demo appearances scheduled before the end?

Buster15 13th Jan 2019 13:08


Originally Posted by Fishtailed (Post 10359098)
It can't leave without visiting Warton and Samlesbury, we made it!! Thankfully the other users are keeping it flying for many years.

And Bristol I would hope where Rolls-Royce built and repaired many many hundreds of RB199 engines.

Dan Gerous 14th Jan 2019 10:07


Originally Posted by ShotOne (Post 10359173)
Any display/demo appearances scheduled before the end?

Rumours from the spotters, that there will be no more low level training flights before retirement.

BobbyHowie 14th Jan 2019 12:51

Just had a GR4 over the house there. Ah, sounded great.


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