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NutLoose 11th Dec 2018 11:16

Tu-160's visit Venezuela
 
It appears Russia are spreading their wings so to speak and the US is not amused.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46522358

racedo 11th Dec 2018 11:18

Think they visited in 2008 and 2013 based on reports.

dead_pan 11th Dec 2018 11:20

It may be totally unrelated, but didn't Venezuela miss a few of their oil payments-in-kind to Russia recently? Just sayin'...

Imagegear 11th Dec 2018 13:41

Wow - They look like serious pie preparation machines,

Why do so many Russian pilots appear rotund, is it perhaps mandated forced feeding for G tolerance purposes?

IG

Tankertrashnav 11th Dec 2018 23:01

Maybe the Russians are less obsessed with body mass and more concerned with flying capability. These days in the RAF it seems if you arent built like a racing snake you get nagged into running every day. Glad I left before all this stuff got a hold

David Thompson 11th Dec 2018 23:43

Lossie launched two Typhoons on a QRA in response to the Russian aircraft with the Typhoons reported to be carrying the MBDA Meteor missile , story here ;
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles...h-new-missile/ .

Wee Weasley Welshman 12th Dec 2018 11:31

Is Meteor particularly late into service?

Is there a notably good online resource giving details of its benefits?


WWW

NutLoose 12th Dec 2018 11:33

https://theaviationist.com/2018/12/1...g-qra-mission/

Lonewolf_50 12th Dec 2018 12:29

There was a time when people didn't lose their minds when a crew, or a section of aircraft, went on a cross country flight for training.
Here's an idea: training sortie, intercontinental flight for an aircraft that is built with that kind of range in mind.
And if a little political "show the flag" comes with it, bonus.
Maybe a little exercise with a military one has worked with before.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said it amounted to "two corrupt governments squandering public funds".
That's a bit rich, Mr Secretary. But for raw comic relief, check out the Madurite's hyperbole.

The latest visit comes just days after President Maduro met Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow. Venezuelan Defence Minister Vladimir Padrino said they were part of air force exercises with its Russian allies: "This we are going to do with our friends, because we have friends in the world who defend respectful, balanced relations."
You have oil, and you stink at developing your reserves because you eat your seed corn, Señor Moron.

"We are preparing to defend Venezuela to the last inch when necessary," the minister said in a reference to his government's frequent accusations that imperialist powers are trying to topple it.
Your government is in the process of destroying your country from within, and doing a brilliant job of it. Nobody outside need lift a finger.

It's almost like I am watching a sketch on Saturday Night Live, or listening to the Goon Show.

West Coast 12th Dec 2018 15:13

This isn't just training LW, it's politicians sending messages to one another.

NutLoose 12th Dec 2018 15:19

Yup, you put troops on my back door and I can reciprocate.

chopper2004 12th Dec 2018 23:35

Brave reporter lol
 

Una Due Tfc 13th Dec 2018 00:13

Fabulous looking machine though, and one hell of a technical achievement, greater range than a B52, greater payload and speed than a B-1. No wonder producing 30 odd of them contributed to bankrupting the Soviet Union.

dead_pan 13th Dec 2018 06:28

Love the Brass-Eye-esque RT report with the bat**** graphics. Also impressed they're giving a group of fat o!d blokes a trip to Venezuela.

ORAC 13th Dec 2018 07:06


chopper2004 13th Dec 2018 09:27


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10334555)

Laughingly thought I was looking top down at an aircraft carrier with the angled runway lol

cheers

Tankertrashnav 13th Dec 2018 10:57


Also impressed they're giving a group of fat o!d blokes a trip to Venezuela.
Maybe the thin young thin blokes were all unfit to fly having incurred injuries playing sport, running etc in order to "get fit". Fortunately the old fat guys were just about able to roll out of the aircrew feeder and fly a sophisticated supersonic aircraft on a long range overseas deployment.

ORAC 13th Dec 2018 11:24

How the world changes. In my day the word used when discussing Russian technology was agricultural, not sophisticated.

(That didn’t mean it didn’t work - including their space programme. Just that they deliberately eschewed technology that might break where a simpler solution could be found)

Thrust Augmentation 13th Dec 2018 18:14


Originally Posted by chopper2004 (Post 10334441)

Shes very brave lol

Lucky by my take!

The AvgasDinosaur 13th Dec 2018 20:21


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10334555)

No tanker support ?
Bit odd I thought
Be lucky
David

ORAC 13th Dec 2018 20:45

Only bomber tanking the old USSR did was the wingtip to wingtip on the Badger, IIRC the IL-86 is purely a tactical fighter-bomber tanker.

vascodegama 13th Dec 2018 20:59

[QUOTE=ORAC;10335140]
Only bomber tanking the old USSR did was the wingtip to wingtip on the Badger, IIRC the IL-86 is purely a tactical fighter-bomber tanker.
[/QUO
They used AAR for long range missions against Syrian targets ; the tanker doesn’t have to go all the way.

A_Van 14th Dec 2018 07:13


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10335140)
Only bomber tanking the old USSR did was the wingtip to wingtip on the Badger, IIRC the IL-86 is purely a tactical fighter-bomber tanker.

IL-86 is a civilian plane (for some 350 pax). Production stopped in 90's. Never saw, heard of, read about its tanker verison.
The main tanker is IL-78. In old days (until late 80's) there were quite some Myasischev 3M tankers (converted bombers).

As for "old blokes", their presence is easily explicable.
First, it's a sort of a resort trip. Thus, better give this bonus to elder guys, younger ones can wait :-)
Second, as there obviously are some socialising events with the locals during this mission, it's better to have experienced lads. They would not be confused to chat with local generals, can consume endless amount of hard drinks and not get drunk, can tell many stories, etc. :-)

meleagertoo 14th Dec 2018 09:49

Old blokes are surely the ones who order and organise such trips so it's understandable if a disproportionate number of portly Generals, Group Captains etc. allocate themselves to go along.
Jollies for the boys applies to old gits too...

Do we have any idea what route they took to get there?

ORAC 14th Dec 2018 09:51

No probe, and they don’t do boom.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f200f04634.jpg

ORAC 14th Dec 2018 09:54


dead_pan 14th Dec 2018 11:29

Big ol' orbit mid-point during the flight. Are we sure they don't have an AAR capability?

Asturias56 14th Dec 2018 11:34

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....066c5440dc.jpg
Wiki:-

"The Tu-160 is powered by four Kuznetsov NK-32 afterburning turbofan engines, the most powerful ever fitted to a combat aircraft. Unlike the American B-1B Lancer, which reduced the original Mach 2+ requirement for the B-1A to achieve a smaller radar cross-section, the Tu-160 retains variable intake ramps, and is capable of reaching Mach 2.05 speed at altitude.[38] The Tu-160 is equipped with a probe-and-drogue in-flight refueling system for extended-range missions, although it is rarely used."

ORAC 14th Dec 2018 14:35

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....91d107792e.jpg
The photos from Venezuela show the aircraft not to be fitted with probes. The link with the map above states the third aircraft was another Blackjack. Presumed to be an airborne spare which loitered at the Orbit till fuel required RTB.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2200573461.jpg


42go 14th Dec 2018 16:04

" The photos from Venezuela show the aircraft not to be fitted with probes. " - those darned Ruskis have tricked you, Sir

West Coast 14th Dec 2018 16:15

Looks retractable in the airborne image. The image of the nose on the ground shows a faint rectangular outline of what may be refueling doors.

Davef68 14th Dec 2018 16:23

You can see the extended probe and doors in this video


ORAC 14th Dec 2018 16:40


TEEEJ 14th Dec 2018 17:33

Looks like a very short visit to Venezuela. The two Tu-160s and the ground controllers have been noted active on HF on their way home today.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia has told the United States that two of their strategic bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons will leave Venezuela on Friday, the White House said on Wednesday, ending a deployment that angered Washington.

“We have spoken with representatives of Russia and have been informed that their military aircraft, which landed in Venezuela, will be leaving on Friday and going back to Russia,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said in an email sent to Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKBN1OB2II

tdracer 14th Dec 2018 18:39


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 10335697)
Looks retractable in the airborne image. The image of the nose on the ground shows a faint rectangular outline of what may be refueling doors.

Makes sense - can you imagine the amount of drag that probe would add at Mach 2? And we're talking a long range aircraft - the weight of making it retractable would be negligible compared to the impact on range of getting rid of that drag.
Not to mention the effect on radar cross section.

Fareastdriver 15th Dec 2018 07:55

I would imagine that the orbit mid Atlantic on the way out was because the bottle of vodka had rolled into a distant corner of the cockpit.

Onceapilot 15th Dec 2018 09:33

I would be interested if the powers that be would publish the basics of the compliance or non-compliance with flight plan notification that was used in this, and similar, long range Russian flights. I would presume that these Tu160's transited mostly at high level and straight through the busy N.Atl OTS airspace. Was any co-ordination achieved or, was there an increased risk to civil traffic?

OAP

TEEEJ 15th Dec 2018 10:01

The Tu-160s have returned to Russia and they did air to air refuel. Radio enthusiasts noted at least two IL-78 Midas tankers along with the Tu-160s using HF last night. Looks like they refeulled them in the Barents area before they returned to Engels.


MOSCOW, December 15. /TASS/. Tu-160 strategic bombers have returned to their home airfield in Russia after a their visit to Venezuela, the Russian Defense Ministry's department of information and communications said on Saturday.

"Long-range aircraft flew in the airspace over the Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Norwegian and Barents Seas," the defense ministry said. "Tu-160 strategic bombers flew over 12,000 kilometers and refueled in the air," the ministry added.
From

TASS: Military & Defense - Tu-160 bombers return to home airfield in Russia after visit to Venezuela

TEEEJ 15th Dec 2018 10:22


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10335140)
Only bomber tanking the old USSR did was the wingtip to wingtip on the Badger, IIRC the IL-86 is purely a tactical fighter-bomber tanker.

There was also the Bison tankers as A_Van posted in reply. They were retired in the mid 1990s. There was no IL-86 Camber tanker variant. In recent years they were looking at an IL-96 tanker but have apparently abandoned that idea.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...gic-air-tanker


M609 15th Dec 2018 18:18


Was any co-ordination achieved or, was there an increased risk to civil traffic?
Unless they have changed suddenly in the last few weeks......no coordination what so ever. I' ve never heard of ANY Russian MIL aircraft coming around the North Cape for the Atlantic that is ever coordinated with ATC.


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