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AFPRB 2019
Announced today that the AFPRB report will be late again next year, with the Board being asked to report in May and the pay settlement thrashed out over the summer for release later in the year. But apparently they have learned lessons (that’ll be a first for the MOD) from this year and will implement accordingly. Timing no doubt influenced by BREXIT and the need to both make sure the country hasn’t imploded by 1 Apr and that there is actually some money available to pay anybody anything at all. But still rather frustrating to hear given that we still haven’t actually received the ‘bonus’ element from this year’s round and won’t until March next year. I sense kicking the can down the road this year has set the precedent for what will be the new norm i.e. yet more administrative chaos - or as my elderly mother said when I described how this year’s pay was being implemented, ‘can’t they get anything right these days?’ |
As an RAF Pensioner, I have always just sat back and accepted the current kick in the testes, even when serving.. Not much a chap can do about it, really. Write to my MP? Michael Gove has other matters on his mind!! |
Half the “bonus” element is in our November pay and the remainder will be in March. |
Similar processes in the 1980s and going forward, IIRC. |
Originally Posted by Door Slider
(Post 10317640)
Half the “bonus” element is in our November pay and the remainder will be in March. And this is with our current ‘simple’ pay structures. Imagine the chaos if the Chancellor has his way and regional pay scales are introduced or if the AFPRB recommend bespoke pay spines for individual cohorts. |
But if it’s any consolation, JPA now has the ‘bonus’ software patch installed. So the 0.7% next year could be paid as a one’er and realistically in Oct 19. Either way, you can feel it coming! |
Feeling valued? Anyone?
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So, what happens if one were to leave the Service between now and the second half of the payment in March? |
As someone who did leave midway through this pantomime it has been river of additional payments, deductions, pension revisions and gratuity uplifts.
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Originally Posted by Jumping_Jack
(Post 10318262)
Feeling valued? Anyone?
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Is the 5 extra days in one lump, being used to fill the hristmas/New Year gap, or available piecemeal at Unit Cdr’s discretion, or added to Annual Leave entitlement? |
Originally Posted by MPN11
(Post 10319465)
Is the 5 extra days in one lump, being used to fill the hristmas/New Year gap, or available piecemeal at Unit Cdr’s discretion, or added to Annual Leave entitlement? |
Originally Posted by 4everAD
(Post 10319502)
the latter.
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Originally Posted by Melchett01
(Post 10318700)
Oh yes, hugely valued. On top of being told that RAF personnel in JFC wont be getting the 5 extra days stand down CAS has awarded to all RAF personnel in recognition of 100 years and operational commitment and success, we’re all feeling the love here this week! |
Melchett01. I copied CAS' letter to my light blue 2* (also JFC) with the relevant bit highlighted where CAS requests that TLBs other than the Air TLB honour the additional grant. Got a flat 'no' as it was considered 'divisive'. Thanks for nothing Boss.
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Originally Posted by Jumping_Jack
(Post 10320834)
Melchett01. I copied CAS' letter to my light blue 2* (also JFC) with the relevant bit highlighted where CAS requests that TLBs other than the Air TLB honour the additional grant. Got a flat 'no' as it was considered 'divisive'. Thanks for nothing Boss.
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Originally Posted by Jumping_Jack
(Post 10320834)
Melchett01. I copied CAS' letter to my light blue 2* (also JFC) with the relevant bit highlighted where CAS requests that TLBs other than the Air TLB honour the additional grant. Got a flat 'no' as it was considered 'divisive'. Thanks for nothing Boss.
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Do the others get a day off for Trafalgar Day or Minden Day? Different, I know, but still a rather sh1tty deal ... unless the extra 5 can be carried forward [to the next appointment] of course.
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The Navy guys will soon be getting techie pay the RAF guys aren't that's very divisive!
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Originally Posted by 4everAD
(Post 10321424)
The Navy guys will soon be getting techie pay the RAF guys aren't that's very divisive!
My understanding is that a Techie pay spine was imminent for the RAF too? |
Originally Posted by Door Slider
(Post 10321565)
Navy Rotary Crewmen are in Trade Supp 3 where as RAF Rotary Crewmen are in Trade Sup 2. My understanding is that a Techie pay spine was imminent for the RAF too? |
Originally Posted by Training Risky
(Post 10320727)
Melch. That is appalling 'leadership' from the JFC towers! Is this decision down to that brown-job 4-star?
Yes, it is indeed. Just saw the JFC Christmas leave policy today - 3 weeks all round to ensure you get a good break (less PJHQ who are on 2 weeks), but no extra leave is to be awarded as JFC personnel are already carrying leave over so don’t need any more. Plus it would be divisive apparently. I assume Civil Servants in JFC will therefore not be getting privilege days this year? And juniors won’t be getting REN leave? After all, no need for it is there and it’s all one team. And you know I think the General has hit on a savings measure there too; unless you spend all your salary each year you don’t need your annual rise as promulgated by the AFPRB. All crazy suggestions, all following the same logic as the JFC decision. |
The JFC '3 Weeks all round' doesn't appear to have permeated to DefAc. 2 weeks, that's your lot (22nd to 6th).
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Good for them.....
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Must be nearly time? I’ll start the rumours; 3% with a 0.5% ‘bonus’... Well, you can but hope... :} |
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
(Post 10507667)
Must be nearly time? I’ll start the rumours; 3% with a 0.5% ‘bonus’... Well, you can but hope... :} Taking into account the economy, Brexit uncertainty etc etc I think I would be content with 2% |
Before last years 2%+0.9% weren't we told 6.5% over 3 years......?
But remember the starting point for this year is 2017+2%, so if we get 1.5%, we've already had 0.9 as a bonus, so that equates to 2017+2%+0.6%, so next years start isn't even up to 2018 as a starting point More likely to be 2%, so 2018+1.1% (more than an austerity 1%, but only just!). They'll postpone the remaining 2.5% as long as possible, so 2020, but then try and claim the bonuses were already included!!! |
Not a bad guess LJ and interestingly, not a peep heard from the AFPRB so far this year? But the good Boris has promised a huge rise for the public sector, so let's hope it's wrapped up before October. |
Originally Posted by Party Animal
(Post 10508875)
Not a bad guess LJ and interestingly, not a peep heard from the AFPRB so far this year? But the good Boris has promised a huge rise for the public sector, so let's hope it's wrapped up before October. |
Originally Posted by Door Slider
(Post 10509033)
I believe the AFPRB submitted their report to the government on 2 May. |
Originally Posted by 4everAD
(Post 10509149)
We had the AFPRB here last week and the rest of the independent pay review bodies are still giving their reports to the government so our 'pay rise' can't be announced until they're all in and considered. Again it kind of makes a mockery of the system, how can one report be considered in isolation when the government is now insisting on having all the reports in before announcements are made?
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According to the times - 2.9% pay rise. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...rces-rllv0lmtg Police officers will receive a 2.5 per cent pay rise across the board, soldiers 2.9 per cent and teachers and other school staff 2.75 per cent. Dentists and consultants will get 2.5 per cent and senior civil servants 2 per cent. |
Public Sector Pay Rise
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...itics-49041295 For those that read the Daily Mail/Sun. (without the Times subscription). 😉 |
From the Times article...
Penny Mordaunt, the defence secretary, has secured a 2.5 per cent rise for all members of the armed forces. The salary for the lowest-paid privates will go up from £19,025 to £20,000. She has made clear that pay increases for soldiers and other forces personnel are the “right priority” given their “vital importance” and “hard work and self-sacrifice” in protecting Britain. “It is the highest nominal pay increase since the coalition. But these increases are still slower than pay rises that are happening on average in the private sector. With the partial exception of schools, there seems to be no new money to fund these pay rises, meaning savings will have to be made elsewhere.” |
POLITICO: There are a whopping 30 written ministerial statements on the order paper today, which is even more than the 27 last Thursday. Goodness knows how high the figure will get by the end of this week. A handful of today’s announcements cover the public sector pay rises leaked to the Times last week, but there are potentially interesting updates too on housing, local government, energy, teachers, prisons, the RAF, “electoral integrity,” support for families and more. .......https://publications.parliament.uk/p...a/ob190722.htm STATEMENTS TO BE MADE TODAY Secretary of State for Defence 10.Armed Forces Pay Review Body Report 2019 11.Combat Air Strategy Update 12.Support for Armed Forces Personnel and Veterans 13.UN Mission Update |
https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...7-22/HCWS1770/ https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...7-22/HCWS1771/ 2.9% up to 1-star 2.0% 2-star and above AFPRB report https://www.gov.uk/government/public...th-report-2019 |
I was expecting far more comment on this. Perhaps a a reflection of the board population... |
The figures in this years report for 2018 are 0.9% lower than was published & "recommended" last year, so we only actually get 2% above last year, the extra 0.9% - we've already had!!!!!
(See what I said above #29, at least better than my predicted 1.5%!!) I'm leaving at the end of Aug, so at least now I get an additional small paypacket at the end of Sept , when I get my backdated pay!!! So yet again we are below: Police 2.5% Teachers 2.75% Medics 2.5% (Unless they too have smoke & mirrors in effect) |
Like many here, I only care about my Pension. But glad to see some recognition for the hard-working folks who are still flogging their butts off. I'll let others do the current number-crunching, having read the previous post!
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