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ETOPS 12th Oct 2018 05:42

Belgian AF F-16 damaged
 
Going to guns :confused:

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=216189

BVRAAM 12th Oct 2018 10:31

I don't know how accurate this is, but this was posted to Facebook this morning.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1500e9f8d9.png

glad rag 12th Oct 2018 14:59

Far too many holes even to start with, and I don't mean in the one shot up.

Davef68 12th Oct 2018 15:28

A lot of holes in that particular Swiss cheese lined up if that is true

ShyTorque 12th Oct 2018 15:59

"One technician incurred hearing impairment."

Probably from the line technician's post accident one-way interview! :eek:

West Coast 12th Oct 2018 16:09

A good kill, paint it on the side.

whisperer 12th Oct 2018 16:45

IF this is not a hoax then a LOT of holes in the cheese all lined up..or someone knew exactly what they were doing!

Fortissimo 12th Oct 2018 17:07


IF this is not a hoax then a LOT of holes in the cheese all lined up..or someone knew exactly what they were doing!
If it is a hoax, it's a very good one - persuading the base commander to talk about it on TV really adds the element of credence essential to all good wind-ups. Rather than accuse the technician of being a criminal (as inferred), I prefer to think it involved someone who didn't know exactly what they were doing. And as for the cheese hole alignment, I dealt with a civ incident recently where 15 barriers failed, leading to a wrong runway departure; it seems there was more hole than actual cheese, as with the Florennes event.

msbbarratt 12th Oct 2018 18:56


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 10272197)
"One technician incurred hearing impairment."

Probably from the line technician's post accident one-way interview! :eek:

No tea, no biscuits?

Still, look on the bright side. Thank goodness no people were in the way of it. And, at least we know the Vulcan cannon works OK.

ORAC 12th Oct 2018 20:11

Lessons repeatedly learnt and forgotten - how many times have aircraft on airfields and carriers been hit by weapons being armed and serviced whilst pointing directly at them? Wasn’t that what sight lines were established pointing out at sea or empty land?

Bad enough in the days when aircraft were lined up on pans in front of hangars. In the days of airfields where aircraft are kept in HAS on sites purposely designed to prevent fratricide it’s unforgivable.

The person responsible isnt the technician - the system is designed to cope with that. It’s all those in the chain above him/her who have, apparently, disregarded every safety precaution in place to prevent exactly such an event.

One hopes the individual wont become a scapegoat.

Ascend Charlie 12th Oct 2018 23:47

Wow. Armed acft in the hangar...
no bullet trap...
somehow over-ride the squat switch...
activate the gun without checking all above...

The technician will be wishing he had been standing in front of it.

Ogre 13th Oct 2018 06:14


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 10272488)
Wow. Armed acft in the hangar...
no bullet trap...
somehow over-ride the squat switch...
activate the gun without checking all above...

The technician will be wishing he had been standing in front of it.

Never mind all that, just answer me why there were rounds fitted in the hanger?
Either it was intentional or something else happened they are not telling us.

typerated 13th Oct 2018 09:17

One, you score ...

woptb 13th Oct 2018 10:39

CVR transcript released ;
”Pew,pew,pew; Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp;
Merde!”

Valiantone 13th Oct 2018 10:43

Interesting title for the thread, looking at the pictures I'd say maybe amend it to destroyed

Thankfully nobody was seriously injured and they still have 54 others left

NutLoose 13th Oct 2018 14:07


Wow. Armed acft in the hangar...
no bullet trap...
somehow over-ride the squat switch...
activate the gun without checking all above...
Lot of assumptions there, If it is on maintenance as an example, it may be upon sticks and hence the squat switches do not come into it. you dont have to press the trigger to fire a gun, simply make a circuit somewhere along the line.

TBM-Legend 13th Oct 2018 14:18

Fox 4 ...

...four more and he's an ace..

MPN11 13th Oct 2018 18:12

Thanks, gents. As an amateur in this field I was wondering about 'weight on wheels'.

I have also learned a couple of new buzz-words. ;)

NutLoose 13th Oct 2018 19:44


squat switches inop you suggest
not inop, just it's on sticks so they are open, I wasn't trying to make assumptions, just pointing out there could be a myriad of reasons,

activate the gun without checking all above...
again that makes it sound like he deliberately pressed it, again examples, stick top change due to fault and faulty top fitted, electrical snags being worked on etc, all could trigger it, we don't know and the assumptions posted infered one guy was at fault, either way he will be feeling pretty sh*te about now and they will be trying to put the pieces together.

BGG do you remember the Harrier fired off the SNEBS in the hangar? I could list several instances, aircraft on an operational turnround would be armed in the HAS on exercise. Indeed we had one ******** pilot as an inject fire off the Phimat in a Manned HAS, he came close to counting knuckles.

MPN11 :)
squat switches and 'weight on wheels' are the same thing.

The Americans when teaching our Chinook crews used to disconnect the switches BTW

NutLoose 13th Oct 2018 19:51

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....673e9d3d8d.jpg

NutLoose 13th Oct 2018 19:52

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpPV8HdX4AIWAsZ.jpg

NutLoose 13th Oct 2018 19:55

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpPV9IEW0AArOsm.jpg
Https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpPV6imWkAEG9Ls.jpg

All images from

https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=141002

NutLoose 13th Oct 2018 20:11

Voici l'image du F16 qui a explosé au sol à Florennes - La DH

I would say that the pictures showing the aircraft in the hangar circled are probably press guesswork as there is a substantial concrete wall that appears to be between them, also the hangar has not been taped off as far as I can see, so possibly it was from a HAS, good to see they appear to be in full hazmat gear as invisible burnt carbon fibre strands in the air are lethal and will shred the lungs and kill you..

https://ds1.static.rtbf.be/image/med...ed7fe974c3.jpg

from

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/de...le?id=10043888

jolihokistix 13th Oct 2018 21:45

Nutloose’s article above suggests that two other F-16s were ‘lightly’ damaged, and that the inquiry will determine among other things whether this ‘almost impossible’ event was deliberate or accidental.

Just This Once... 14th Oct 2018 08:35

What happened to safe headings for parking with live guns? We didn't even walk in front of them when completing the pre-flight walk-round, ducking under the aircraft instead.


Nige321 14th Oct 2018 08:44

As has been pointed out, there's a wall between the hangar and the flightline.
But there is a gap in the wall...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5fea3d62ef.jpg

glad rag 14th Oct 2018 08:45


Originally Posted by msbbarratt (Post 10272335)
No tea, no biscuits?

Still, look on the bright side. Thank goodness no people were in the way of it. And, at least we know the Vulcan cannon works OK.

just a general inquiry but do NATO nations receive the enhanced ballistic round the US uses?

Chris Kebab 14th Oct 2018 08:46


Originally Posted by Just This Once... (Post 10282492)
What happened to safe headings for parking with live guns? We didn't even walk in front of them when completing the pre-flight walk-round, ducking under the aircraft instead.


..yep that's the bit I don't get JTO - something just doesn't feel quite right here; appreciate that sounds a bit of an understatement!

Ogre 14th Oct 2018 09:28


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10281792)
Voici l'image du F16 qui a explosé au sol à Florennes - La DH

I would say that the pictures showing the aircraft in the hangar circled are probably press guesswork as there is a substantial concrete wall that appears to be between them, also the hangar has not been taped off as far as I can see, so possibly it was from a HAS, good to see they appear to be in full hazmat gear as invisible burnt carbon fibre strands in the air are lethal and will shred the lungs and kill you..

https://ds1.static.rtbf.be/image/med...ed7fe974c3.jpg

from

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/de...le?id=10043888

Didn't the F16 also have an APU that ran of hydrazine? I seem to recall a hydrazine leak from a visiting F16 which led to a couple of our lineys being put in hospital. That would certainly require HazMat suits...

superplum 14th Oct 2018 09:40


Originally Posted by Chris Kebab (Post 10282510)
..yep that's the bit I don't get JTO - something just doesn't feel quite right here; appreciate that sounds a bit of an understatement!

Would appear that the HAS(s) are acceptable mitigating structures.

Jetstream67 14th Oct 2018 10:08

You’d need a thicker wall than that
 
Even without a gap you’d need a thicker wall than that to stop cannon rounds

ORAC 14th Oct 2018 10:30

If hit, the wall would add to the damage from the subsequent concrete spalling from the side facing the F-16.

glad rag 14th Oct 2018 12:25


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10281743)


What does the nozzle of a shut down F 16 position to???

Just This Once... 14th Oct 2018 13:00

Way too long for me to remember for sure but I think it retained the nozzle at 95%, as it would be anyway at ground idle. The full idle range was something like 75 to 95% and the almost full nozzle dilation at ground idle helps to keep the thrust manageable whilst taxiing.

ehwatezedoing 14th Oct 2018 13:32


NutLoose 14th Oct 2018 14:54

Perfectly placed stop sign.

I wonder if the jet was parked outside a HAS opposite, possibly being rearmed etc as the angles look wrong for everything else, i would have thought the collapsed side was the one hit.

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.2368602,4.6609908,445m/data=!3m1!1e3

sat map above

.

sitigeltfel 14th Oct 2018 18:01

When I first heard of the incident I suspected that it may have involved an aircraft tooled up for QRA as the Belgians and Dutch share the commitment to cover themselves and Luxembourg. They swap over every four months and the Dutch began their latest stint only a month ago.

https://www.aviation24.be/military-a...elux-airspace/

freesail 14th Oct 2018 18:17

The damaged jet carries A/A weapons. The jet next to it is about to get loaded probably since ground crew with missiles is nearby. Maybe there was a problem with the loading procedure.


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