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Pontius Navigator 9th Oct 2018 13:26

Touching on the theft aspects and police investigation. I was once roped in as the concept observing officer during a police examination of this airman's room. Most were 2-4 bunk rooms but he had his to h himself. He was present as was I as the police literally tore it to pieces. A most unedifying experience as no evidence was uncovered but clearly the Siena was not popular.

MPN11 9th Oct 2018 14:39

As we, as ever, stray from the original and delicate subject ...
I was asked to accept an airman on discharge from Colchester. He had fallen into a ‘bad crowd’ with drinking and a bit of violence. At interview on arrival [I was up for the challenge] he said something along the lines of “Watching guys shaving their blankets for something to smoke convinced me I was NEVER going there again.” He turned out to be a very good SAC, and got good ACRs. I like to think he kept on track, and got promoted.

MPN11 9th Oct 2018 14:49

And I had a ‘theft from a comrade’ too, albeit less dramatic. Moment of stupidity by a good lad, who lifted the wallet from the guy in the next room/bunk in a moment of stupidity. I think the stn cdr gave him 28 days in the ‘holiday camp’. Very humbled on return to Unit but essentially a good lad.

I gave him a minor bollocking once, to be responded with a cheery “Sorry, Boss, I will be a good ni**er.” All I could say, whilst giggling, was “Oh, sod off, S****”.

Brian 48nav 9th Oct 2018 14:57

MPN11,

I just couldn't help myself - I have a history of one of the Tengah Canberra squadrons and remembered seeing a photo' of the aircrew dated Sept' '68. There is a DGMH there, and of course judging by his good looks he was a nav' ! Nowhere near as bad as losing her to one of the 2-winged master race!!

MPN11 9th Oct 2018 15:00

Oh, thanks for the enlightenment! I feel better now that I know she married a ... N*******r :D

India Four Two 9th Oct 2018 18:07

I’m intrigued by Hipper’s post about the RAFBF.

I had always thought it was a charity, but his post implies it’s more like an insurance policy.

Do only “subscribers” get benefits?

BARKINGMAD 9th Oct 2018 18:58

Oooops!!
 
Somewhere during my time with Beth Windsor's Flying Club I recall hearing of the squadron mates' practice of moving the car, by whatever means, off the station so's the widow/family could use it whilst the Mills of God would grind sure but slow to the date where she could legally take it off site.

Alas, allegedly, on at least one occasion the unfortunate widow was alerted to her new status by the sight of the car being pushed out of the Married Quarters site by a flying suited brigade but before the official notification had been delivered.................

Earth open up and swallow us please ! ! ! ! !

Tragic for all concerned.

Pontius Navigator 9th Oct 2018 19:47

India four two, I already answered your Q, it benefits anyone in the family.

Hipper 9th Oct 2018 20:36

Sorry, maybe I got it wrong regarding the Benevolent Fund, but that is what my mother told me, using the word 'subscribed'.

rcsa 10th Oct 2018 02:12


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10268556)

Regarding personal electronic devices you are talking privacy issues, things that the deceased may not have wanted to be seen by NOK on the one hand to things like banking details that they would not want to be seen by 'cleaners '. Tricky one. A similar conundrum is private off-base persons things. On a different forum I have seen advice to give a trusted friend a key, access, and instructions.

Can I suggest that this problem is best addressed by putting information that would be useful to surviving relatives (bank access codes etc) in one's Will; and at the same time, defining clearly there what is to be done with one's electronic/digital devices and data.

Pontius Navigator 10th Oct 2018 08:05


Originally Posted by Hipper (Post 10269881)
Sorry, maybe I got it wrong regarding the Benevolent Fund, but that is what my mother told me, using the word 'subscribed'.

Nothing wrong there Hipper and certainly a prevailing view at the time. One subscriber benefit was their insurance advisory service. In those days they could analyse your funny and recommended suitable insurance. In particular flying risk extra and loss of flying pay were both niche product that they were expert on. Then the FCA or other financial regulator controlled the industry and the RAFBF decided that such advice was outside its competence; a crying shame.

Pontius Navigator 10th Oct 2018 08:13


Originally Posted by rcsa (Post 10270034)
Can I suggest that this problem is best addressed by putting information that would be useful to surviving relatives (bank access codes etc) in one's Will; and at the same time, defining clearly there what is to be done with one's electronic/digital devices and data.

On your first advice, that is very sound. Your latter is impracticable.

By the time of the will of could be too late. Personal electronic items will have been impounded, seized, examined, or handed over to NOK. Once you are gone you have lost all control of such devices. If you wish to keep secret clandestine affairs, illegal or illicit photographs, private text messages, private phone numbers, the solution is simpler - DON'T

Wander00 10th Oct 2018 10:06

PN - RAFBF Insurance Advice - brilliant, then along came not only more regulation but also Equitable Life.......

West Coast 11th Oct 2018 01:40


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10264714)
A bit macabre, but mention on another thread promoted a thought.

Two car ownership back in the 60s was not common with the husband using the family car to get to work. Sadly crashes were common. Honest must-read all a casualties on-base possessions were impounded for security, this was said to include the family car this leaving the widow stranded.

It was rumoured that one's mates would take urgent steps to get the car off-base before it could be impounded.

Was this true? If it was, is it true today?

I also remember one EGM to write off a liver-in's fairly large mess bill. This was large as it included the previous month's bill too that should have been paid. The current bill was written off on the nod but there was a vigorous debate on previous month though decency prevailed and it was written off too.

The cars of a couple squadron mates killed in a crash sat in the parking lot for the better part of the month after their passing. Both were single, so no spouse in need of the vehicles. It was very eerie passing the cars on an almost daily basis.


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