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Ex RAF Tristars August 2018
Sorry for the poor quality, lousy weather coupled with the fact they they were quick grabs through the car window as stopping was frowned upon, but I knew some in here would like to see the old girls, the VC10 is ZA147 and plans are afoot to move her to display at St Athan I believe, anyway on with the photos. Bigger views on Flickr
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1847/...37d6e58b_c.jpg Tristar ZE705 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1954/...93e68fab_c.jpg Tristar ZD951 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1942/...34da242f_c.jpg Tristar ZD948 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1895/...3deb8535_c.jpg Tristar N705CS by Tony Taylor, on Flickr https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1847/...47a26f22_c.jpg Tristar N405CS by Tony Taylor, on Flickr https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1935/...b9fae62b_c.jpg Tristar 948 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr |
oooh, they aren't half big buggers!
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Who nicked all the AAR probes?
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Originally Posted by 1.3VStall
(Post 10256240)
Who nicked all the AAR probes?
ZD949 Pinky ZD950 ZD951 Perky ZD953 1991 Aug - policy raised to remove fuel probes to save fuel and reduce noise http://www.216squadronassociation.or...rom%20F540.pdf |
Thank you for posting those Nutty! The TriStars were often poorly managed and undersold by the hierarchy of RAF. A great pity that they will probably end up scrapped at Brunters? The exploits and achievements of those aircraft with 216 Sqn run to far greater depths than the simple resume quoted from the association link. I do hope that some way of saving one of the tankers is found. At the very least, a full nose section back to the front doors should be professionally prepared as an indoor exhibit for Cosford. :ok:
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Ex-Adj of 216 regrets the passing of the Comet 4. ;)
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Originally Posted by MPN11
(Post 10256353)
Ex-Adj of 216 regrets the passing of the Comet 4. ;)
(Her, not me) OAP |
The first one taken over from BA by the RAF (we were told it had very few airframe hours logged being ex 'BOAC' fleet rather than ex 'BEA' fleet) came into Farnborough from Heathrow, still in BA colours and night stopped. Next day the crew enjoyed themselves doing low passes along the runway to enable the Farnborough 'boffins' to map its IR signature, then it departed to Brize.
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Chevy, The RAF TriStars were all L1011-500, the hot-ship with RB211-524, reduced length, longer wings and increased MTOW to 233T. The ex BA RAF ones were all fairly new and, were modified as the tankers, with MTOW 249T.
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One was scrapped a year or so back - any idea why that one got the chop when these were saved pending a sale?
Or were more scrapped out of the fleet of 9? |
What happened to the proposed sale of these aircraft to an American company which was to operate them as tankers. ? Not sure we ever had them as BOAC aircraft, thought they were all introduced to “ BEA” when BEA. Paid Lockheed to remove , at great cost, the INS systems which were not required for short haul ops. Later they were used for long haul, when , guess what, INS was needed ! Or so the story went ! DG. |
I vaguely recall BA long haul or BOAC 'inherited' them through a takeover but didn't really want them as they were rather committed to the 747 so they got rid of them without using them too much.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
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I vaguely recall BA long haul or BOAC 'inherited' them through a takeover but didn't really want them as they were rather committed to the 747 so they got rid of them without using them too much.
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What happened to the proposed sale of these aircraft to an American company which was to operate them as tankers. ? Tempus Applied Solutions completed acquisition of the following 6 aircraft earlier in the year - announced March 12, 2018: https://www.tempus-as.com/media-press-release-L1011.php RAF KC1 - Lockheed MSN 1157 - RAF ZD948 - FAA N304CS RAF KC1 - Lockheed MSN 1164 - RAF ZD950 - FAA N405CS RAF KC1 - Lockheed MSN 1165 - RAF ZD951 - FAA N309CS RAF KC1 - Lockheed MSN 1174 - RAF ZD953 - FAA N705CS RAF C2 - Lockheed MSN 1186 - RAF ZE704 - FAA N507CS RAF C2 - Lockheed MSN 1188 - RAF ZE705 - FAA N703CS Tempus already has a number of DoD contracts for "special mission" aircraft: https://www.tempus-as.com/fly-bespoke-services.php They currently plan to use 3 of the Tristars as tanker / transports and 3 as spares sources. The company submitted a bid for a DoD contract in late-June 2018 and if successful it should be announced by end-September. I don't know what the nature of the bid was - I presume it was to provide additional services over and above those provided by Omega which only has one DC10-40 and 2 x B707-320 in its fleet. |
Originally Posted by MPN11
(Post 10256141)
oooh, they aren't half big buggers!
They looked massive from the Runway Caravan at Akrotiri... Like a block of flats landing next to you! :eek: :D |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 10256466)
I vaguely recall BA long haul or BOAC 'inherited' them through a takeover but didn't really want them as they were rather committed to the 747 so they got rid of them without using them too much.
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As Onceapilot says, the -500s were all 'bought' as BA aircraft (Older -1 were BEA orders) for South American routes. There are various stories as to why they were sold, the most recurring one that it was a balance sheet excercise prior to privatising BA. The deal for the 6 aircraft was about £50m (The Pan-am a/c were ~£20m each). BA then leased a couple of -500s a year or so later.
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10256415)
One was scrapped a year or so back - any idea why that one got the chop when these were saved pending a sale?
Or were more scrapped out of the fleet of 9? |
Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 10256902)
As Onceapilot says, the -500s were all 'bought' as BA aircraft (Older -1 were BEA orders) for South American routes. There are various stories as to why they were sold, the most recurring one that it was a balance sheet excercise prior to privatising BA. The deal for the 6 aircraft was about £50m (The Pan-am a/c were ~£20m each). BA then leased a couple of -500s a year or so later.
ZD949 (The mid life update a/c with the glass cockpit) was scrapped at Marshalls in 2014, as was C2A ZE709. ZD952 was scrapped at Kemble, aslo in 2014 C2A was ZE706. :) OAP |
A rumour in the early 1980s was that ba binned its TriStars due to some bean counter noting that the engine fuel flow rate was greater than for the 747. Hence the TriStar went and the 747 stayed in service.
Only after the decision had been made did someone point out that the TriStar had one less engine than the 747, so the total burn rate was actually less....:uhoh: |
Originally Posted by Onceapilot
(Post 10256920)
C2A was ZE706. :)
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