Rocketman offers to de-rocket the Korean peninsular
 

And meet Trump

https://news.sky.com/story/live-sout...korea-11281879

thoughts?

I feel it's because his regime would be bust by the end of the year and he knows it, if he does not squirm out of it, his days may be numbered, one should imagine a lot of the countries wealth is used to keep those folks supporting his regime happy, and without it they will become his problem. Dictators rely on others to keep them there by fear and reward.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-sout...korea-11281879


Do you think she is holding his hand for this meeting ;)

I’ll be curious what Fat Wuns security demands are for denuking along with what level of verification he’ll accept. Hard to imagine IAEA caravans freely moving through the country iso nuke sites.

Then again, hard to imagine anything other than the current stalemate continuing.

"And meet Trump"

Awful idea - he'd run rings round Trump in a face to face negotiation - he'd give Trump some BIG headlines and the small print would probably award NK California.............

He hasn't done very well so far.

I guess we just have to go along with Churchill. "Jaw-Jaw is better than War-War"

https://www.mediaite.com/online/nort...missile-tests/

Kim Jong-un has reportedly squandered his inheritance on nuclear testing and has entered his nation in the Winter Olympic Games to fix its failing economy

https://www.axios.com/north-korea-ru...71a9e7b30.html

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/kor...018143318.html

Hmmm - well most of the world see that he has built up his nuclear capacity, developed a missile capability while Trump has blustered away . Then he turns sweet, gets his boys and girls into the Winter Olympics.

Now he's got talks with the S Koreans and no doubt will agree to all sorts of future changes in return for concessions and money up front

They fall for it every time......................

By the time it all goes sour Trump will have moved on and he can play the same record all over again - they've been doing it for 50 years

Really? He did all that in a year? It's entirely down to Trump since his Inauguration, nothing whatsoever to do with previous Administrations?

No, I think most of the World see that something different is happening under this Administration.

Maybe - just maybe - the caricature of Trump we get fed from the media isn't entirely accurate after all.

You mean he is worse???

I mean that something significantly positive has happened under this Administration that hasn't under his predecessors. Why is that? Do you think it's all down to a sole initiative from Pyongyang?

Sure Trump's personality leaves much to be desired. He's a buffoon, but are we sure he's also an idiot?

Who is visiting whom?
Does it matter, well only if you want to look good to your people.

Typically such meetings take place in a neutral venue/country - but will NK leadership's paranoia rule that out? Panmunjom seems most likely.

I think NK is a past master at playing this game

Does anyone think they're going to give up their nukes and rockets - no - they'll offer to "stop testing" and will open up a bit ... until teh next time

I don't care if it's Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama or Trump - none of them are going to invade N Korea. We're totally dependent on the Chinese if we want regime change

Mmmmmmmm if sanctions work so succesfully for Trump why hasnt he yet sanctioned Russia. Could Putin perhaps have a hand in persuading our North Korean friend to meet as a favour to his friend Donny to deflect all the ****storm he is presently enduring?
Just putting that in there.

I agree with HH. Fat Un is playing a game. Suggestion to have face-to-face talks with Trump could be a win-win strategy (at least in front of his NK people). If Trump agrees (can hardly believe that but things happen), then Rocketman could be considered by many as a cool and serious player, dealing/negotiating directly with POTUS.
If he is sent to ...., he would cry that "blood thursty imperialists reject his hand of friendship", etc. etc.


In reality, IMHO, he may indeed take a pause in tests (explosions and launches) while the industry will keep working.

And it would be a bad move to have the meeting on the peninsular as it would be seen as Trump cowing to Korea, instead of the other way around, rather like I thought Mays trip to the EU for the Brexit talks was, you're playing in their patch, not the other way round and that has a strong phycological effect.
I tend to agree, the little one is playing for time and monies, the same as the Olympic participation was. He might be at an impass in his rocket development, what better time to play the "good guy" on the world stage while research carries on, with the chance he may get some sanctions lifted or aid.

Yep:

Not once have you posited that the reason that the sanctions, most recent of which are designed to rattle the base of supporters that keeps him in power is working. The sanctions also layered, new ones having started this week.

As far as a game, of course it’s a game, all nations play games, some willingly, others are forced or coerced.

I’ve noticed a pattern on the pprune, a willingness, almost a desire to attribute qualities of greatness to thugs and rogue nations as they maneuver politically, the same to strip away any qualities from western governments. Over the years I’ve seen Saddam, Gaddafi and Mugabe all given excessive adulation...
You have exemplified that pattern here HH, in just two short postings.

Trump and Kim Jong Un in a face to face discussion? What could possibly go wrong...?

As someone said on the radio earlier today - Fathead and Fatun together, what a pairing:D

Theey could discuss hairstyles, perhaps swap stylists for a day.

Let's just hope Trump doesn't wind up sharing nuclear technology with Kim.

Perhaps Pres Trump can be given a huge North Korean Military Parade.
I'am sure he will enjoy such a thing.

Kim Jong Un will probably end up with a new golf course he didn't want. I would imagine having Trump as your discussion partner is rather like having the Johova Witnesses on the doorstep, you will do anything to get shot of them.

Though I would rather have Trump as a discussion partner any day over a megalomaniac cold bloodied murdering scum bag such as Kim Jong un, one can only hope his days are numbered.


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I've always thought that "peninsular" was the adjective from "peninsula", as in "Peninsular and Oriental", but I'm always seeing it used as a noun, (most recently by the OP).

Am I wrong?

If we might divert this conversation to military aviation somewhat, how does this conversation's happening influence pilots, aircrew, and mechanics (etc) .. fewer deployments?
Fewer carriers or other plane carrying ships deployed to one sector of the Pacific?

Anyone?

I think it is relevant, especially to those services stationed in the South.

Duty Pedant here. Tank is correct. ‘Peninsular’ would relate to something to do with a peninsula, as in Peninsular Malaysia as opposed to Sarawak, the Malaysian state on Borneo.

If he goes, he should only go for his twitter photo op & hand over all the grown up discussions to the South Koreans. Then he should pop in to China & seek assurances from them that whatever the North & South agree to, they will keep the North in line & the US will keep the South in line.
Then get him home ASAP before he F@#*! it up!

If Trump has any sense (!!!!) he'll ask the Chinese to run the meeting and hold it in Beijing

So our fat friend has used his RailCard and gone to see his "fraternal neighbours" at last..........

At least he had the grace to "take notes" when Pooh Bear spoke to him

I suspect the message was "Ok son - so far you're getting away with it but don't do anything to upset Trump when you meet him..."

Nevertheless, the ME would be a safer place with Saddam still running Iraq.

No, you are perfectly correct.
Peninsula is the noun for a bit of land which sticks out.
Peninsular is the adjective describing such a protuberance.

Frequently misunderstood.
I blame the teachers.
My wife, a primary school teacher, coached her colleagues in that sort of thing, esp the use of the apostrophe.

Safer? Maybe. Iran has not changed direction much.

Less unstable? Possibly.
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and a couple of million of people still alive and several Trillion dollars unwasted as well

I’ll second that West Coast.

There must be few ship owners who thought that they were going to make a quick buck who are a bit worried.

North Korea sanctions: UN blacklists shipping firms - BBC News

Doubt it - shipping companies are as slippery as eels - lots of small, family owned outfits, many totally private, flags of convenience, buy/sell/lease/loan vessels between companies all the time. Change names, crews, paperwork. Use mixed nationality crews drawn from all corners of the globe with Captains who have a "varied" past. The money isn't attached to the ship or the shipment - it's paid through places like Switzerland, London and other shady spots where they are expert at covering tracks

You can occasionally nail a single ship/ crew but trying to get to the beneficial owners .... unlikely