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Why Kim Has Offered to Stop Nuclear Tests
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...ists-lsh63sxv0 Kim’s nuclear test site has collapsed, say scientists North Korea’s nuclear test site is believed to have collapsed, rendering the secret base unusable and potentially explaining Kim Jong-un’s newfound willingness to discuss ending his weapons programme. At least five of the six nuclear tests carried out over the past 12 years were at Punggye-ri, in the northeast of the country, at a site carved out of the 7,200ft Mount Mantap. Scientists who have studied seismic data from the region believe that part of the mountain collapsed as a result of the most recent test, on September 3. It had a yield of 250 kilotons, almost 17 times that of the Hiroshima bomb, and caused a 6.3-magnitude earthquake...... Wen Lianxing, a seismology professor at Stony Brook University in New York, and head of the three-strong team that studied the seismic data from Mount Mantap, said the mountain collapse meant that the site could no longer be used for nuclear tests. “Given the history of the nuclear tests North Korea performed beneath this mountain, a nuclear test of a similar yield would produce collapses in an even larger scale, creating an environmental catastrophe,” he said. “Any further disturbance from a future test could generate earthquakes that may be damaging by their own force or crack the nuclear test sites of the past or the present.” Mr Wen collaborated with two researchers from the University of Science and Technology of China, in Hefei, eastern China. A second study, conducted by six scientists from China, the Czech Republic and Greece, sought to explain the delayed shock that occurred after the September blast. “According to our model, the explosion created a cavity and a damaged ‘chimney’ of rocks above it,” they wrote in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. “The aftershock was neither a secondary explosion nor a triggered tectonic earthquake. It occurred due to a process . . . that is, a rock collapse, or compaction, for the first time documented in North Korea’s test site.” Chinese scientists monitored the aftermath of North Korea’s sixth nuclear test closely for any signs of radioactive leaks. Wang Naiyan, a former chairman of the China Nuclear Society and senior researcher on China’s nuclear weapons programme, told South China Morning Post that he had concerns over the mountain’s geological integrity. Another test might cause the entire mountain to cave in on itself, he said, exposing a hole from which radiation could escape and drift across the region, including China. “We call it ‘taking the roof off’,” said Mr Wang. “If the mountain collapses and the hole is exposed, it will let out many bad things.” |
Personally, I don't believe Trump, Obama or anyone else has anything to do with Kim Jong Un's actions. He has been pursuing his own plan ever since he came to power - and possibly even before then.
North Korea has been afraid of the threatening outside world ever since the cease fire.was signed. He has taken steps to first secure his position, then establish nuclear capability and finally develop a delivery system. The objective was to make himself fireproof and he is now fireproof. Having established nuclear invulnerability, he is now in a position to open up friendly discussions with South Korea. Normalisation of relations with South Korea then removes the need for a US presence in that country. That is his end game - if South Korea asks the US to leave, he will have removed the threat on his borders and enabled him to normalise his own economy and international trade relationships. He's a very smart operator and in the interests of world peace, I wish him every success. |
Blacksheep,
You sound like Lord Halifax. In the interests of the people of North Korea I wish him Gonorrhea... |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 10131530)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...ists-lsh63sxv0 Kim’s nuclear test site has collapsed, say scientists North Korea’s nuclear test site is believed to have collapsed, rendering the secret base unusable and potentially explaining Kim Jong-un’s newfound willingness to discuss ending his weapons programme. At least five of the six nuclear tests carried out over the past 12 years were at Punggye-ri, in the northeast of the country, at a site carved out of the 7,200ft Mount Mantap. Scientists who have studied seismic data from the region believe that part of the mountain collapsed as a result of the most recent test, on September 3. It had a yield of 250 kilotons, almost 17 times that of the Hiroshima bomb, and caused a 6.3-magnitude earthquake...... Wen Lianxing, a seismology professor at Stony Brook University in New York, and head of the three-strong team that studied the seismic data from Mount Mantap, said the mountain collapse meant that the site could no longer be used for nuclear tests. “Given the history of the nuclear tests North Korea performed beneath this mountain, a nuclear test of a similar yield would produce collapses in an even larger scale, creating an environmental catastrophe,” he said. “Any further disturbance from a future test could generate earthquakes that may be damaging by their own force or crack the nuclear test sites of the past or the present.” Mr Wen collaborated with two researchers from the University of Science and Technology of China, in Hefei, eastern China. A second study, conducted by six scientists from China, the Czech Republic and Greece, sought to explain the delayed shock that occurred after the September blast. “According to our model, the explosion created a cavity and a damaged ‘chimney’ of rocks above it,” they wrote in the journal Geophysical Research Letters. “The aftershock was neither a secondary explosion nor a triggered tectonic earthquake. It occurred due to a process . . . that is, a rock collapse, or compaction, for the first time documented in North Korea’s test site.” Chinese scientists monitored the aftermath of North Korea’s sixth nuclear test closely for any signs of radioactive leaks. Wang Naiyan, a former chairman of the China Nuclear Society and senior researcher on China’s nuclear weapons programme, told South China Morning Post that he had concerns over the mountain’s geological integrity. Another test might cause the entire mountain to cave in on itself, he said, exposing a hole from which radiation could escape and drift across the region, including China. “We call it ‘taking the roof off’,” said Mr Wang. “If the mountain collapses and the hole is exposed, it will let out many bad things.” SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids |
I'm not a Trump fan (I could best be described as a Trump agnostic - not a fan but appreciate some of the things he's done). I also remain skeptical that the young phat one really intends to make peace and play nice.
But, it would certainly be wonderful if Trump actually pulled this off. Plus I'd rather enjoy watching all the Trump hater's heads explode in the aftermath :E |
I could best be described as a Trump agnostic |
Good to meet and everything, congrats. But I don't see that much of a change coming. Why did the Kims get their own nukes? As their family life insurance against China it seems. Does this need still exist? Yes. So it might just be the sanctions biting the North a bit too much now and then it will be back to business again.
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Why did the Kims get their own nukes? As their family life insurance against China it seems. 'Look what you would have been like if we hadn't opened up China.' |
"Why did the Kims get their own nukes? As their family life insurance against China it seems. Does this need still exist? Yes. "
Not China - the USA - once the USA got into regime change post Cold War Family Kim reckoned they'd be near the top of the list - to some extent they kept their heads down and didn't threaten the US or US interests in the way Qaddafi, Afghanistan, Iran and Saddam did -no clear link to terrorists, no invasions etc - which bought them time to get their programme underway. Right now they have bombs and missiles - not a lot but enough. They can afford to take a breather while their designers work on Generation 2. If the US pulls the Iranian deal they'll just turn to the world and say " we have to keep them because the US can't be trusted long-term - as Qaddafi discovered" TBH Young Kim is playing his hand very very well................ |
didn't threaten the US or US interests |
Originally Posted by Fareastdriver
(Post 10133129)
They have been threatening the USA with total destruction for the last decade. They cannot threaten US interest because they have nothing to threaten them with.
They only started to mouth off big time once they had a tested a bomb in 2006, before that they threatened regional warfare but were careful not to threaten US interests directly Now they have bombs and a third rate missile system - we all know on here that that does not a real strike force make but it sure as hell makes headlines in places like Seattle.......... after all it only takes one if they happen to drop it on you..... |
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