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WilliumMate 24th Dec 2017 08:19


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 9999825)
A beleaguered PM has to be grateful to the Armed Services, they are loyal,

I was never, in the sense of the word, loyal to any bunch of politicians. I was loyal to my oppos, my service and to the Crown but not those that often conspired to shaft me, my oppos and my service.

Wander00 24th Dec 2017 09:50

At least new SofS seems to have understood something. To punch above your weight as UK does you have to "be the best", elitist is good, very good

Party Animal 24th Dec 2017 09:58

I'm told by a colleague who attended the 'Millies Awards' event last week that the only comment the PM had to make, concerned the current government fighting to increase the number of outlets willing to give a 10% discount on goods and services to those with a military ID card! :rolleyes:

Basil 24th Dec 2017 13:00


A beleaguered PM has to be grateful to the Armed Services, they are loyal, which is more than can be said of any of her fellow politicians
Something I mentioned to my Remoaner MP after he recently voted against his party.

The Old Fat One 24th Dec 2017 13:17


Something I mentioned to my Remoaner MP after he recently voted against his party.

Do you speak to him often? If so, could you say thank you on my behalf :p

PS Not a remoaner (seems to be working out quite well so far), just a democrat.

Roadster280 24th Dec 2017 13:51


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10000082)
I don't read the ST as it's behind the Dirty Digger's paywall....

However, in other news I see that the new Defence Secretary has stopped a pointless, wasteful £520K 'rebranding' attempt by some daft pongo committee - see Army halts plans to ditch 'Be the Best' slogan - BBC News

It seems that the pongo committee considered 'being the best' to be "dated, elitist and non-inclusive" and that it didn't "resonate with many of our key audiences".

Fortunately Willy thought otherwise and had such nonsense stopped! But not before £520K had been wasted....:ugh:

"Be the best" seems to have bit more about it than the below, but really, why do the forces have to have such nonsense to begin with?

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...g?format=1000w

Lima Juliet 24th Dec 2017 15:17

Roadster

That is so last year...:cool:

https://www.raf.mod.uk/recruitment/m...p-intro-bg.jpg

Innit?

Lima Juliet 24th Dec 2017 15:19

http://gonfernandez.co.uk/img/work/noj.jpg

sharpend 24th Dec 2017 15:20

I don't believe her or trust her.

Lima Juliet 24th Dec 2017 15:24

This was the one that did it for me...
http://aviationancestry.co.uk/Humm/S...1979-59481.jpg
...although I should add it took me until 27!

Onceapilot 24th Dec 2017 17:35

Nice one LJ! I didn't even have 5 O's, my maths was CSE GRADE 1! :eek:

OAP

ExAscoteer 24th Dec 2017 17:47

Surely a CSE Grade One was the equivalent to an O Level GCE Grade C?

Onceapilot 24th Dec 2017 18:34


Originally Posted by ExAscoteer (Post 10000573)
Surely a CSE Grade One was the equivalent to an O Level GCE Grade C?

Yes, I do understand that was a generally accepted rule. However, it does say "5 good O-levels" etc.....
I wonder how many joined with the bottom level, or lower, qualifications, apart from me? :ok:

Merry Christmas

OAP

Roadster280 24th Dec 2017 18:39

Interesting that no A Levels were required!

Basil 24th Dec 2017 21:28

I left school at 15 with no 'O' or 'A' levels.
When, IIRC, at the age of 22, I applied to the RAF, they required 5 'O' levels.
I could have knocked them off in a couple of months but had to wait for the exams to come around. ISTR I was considered to have maths and one or two others on the basis of post-school engineering qualifications.


Interesting that no A Levels were required!
The Airways Corporation required 'A' levels but it was clearly demonstrated by the RAF that they were not necessary for pilot training.

Pontius Navigator 24th Dec 2017 22:12

Roadster, in those days 4 got you airman aircrew, 5 got you a commission and 2 A levels got you to Cranwell as aircrew or Henlow as ground crew.

No engineers in those days, Technical or Secretarial.

GCEs were only pass/fail, no grades.

Pontius Navigator 24th Dec 2017 22:15

As Basil says, what was essential was a minimum educational level and ability. The need was for hundreds of aircrew every year but far fewer destined for command.

The Helpful Stacker 25th Dec 2017 02:27


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 9999825)
A beleaguered PM has to be grateful to the Armed Services, they are loyal...

Not to her they're not.

There is a reason why the Armed Forces don't swear an Oath of Allegiance to a political entity.

NutLoose 25th Dec 2017 02:44

Correct... When I think of half af the spivs we have had in power, they do not inspire trust nor leadership, their only interest is to feed at the trough of plenty.

Pontius Navigator 25th Dec 2017 07:31

And it is wrong to assume that anyone in the Services is right wing or Tory supporter. Perhaps the best evidence of that is Lord West a Labour peer. To a lesser extent former CDS tend to be cross benchers which is more the position of the Monarch.


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