cvg, please take your A versus B to another sub forum. This is Mil Aviation.


Harry: yeah, China have been the 800-pound gorilla in the room for about a decade, so it was just a matter of time before the occasional chest thump and poo throw would commence.

In The Times today.

snip:-

Between the main island and some offshore islands I think

China has always been consistent on certain issues:-

1. No external interference in local politics

2. Taiwan is part of CHina

3. They WILL invade Taiwan if it declares independence

4. There is some flexibility on modes of Govt - eg Hong Kong & Macao

5. Existing external borders can be negotiated/altered in face to face negotiations between the parties

But they are big and carry a stick that is getting bigger every day

Ask those in Hong Kong how that’s working out....

Well its 20 years since the lease ran out and its still v different from the mainland. And don't forget it was never a democracy under British rule.

Run by the Honkers & Shankers, theJockey Club and several "traditional cultural societies"

And the New Territories were only British for 99 years

Taiwan should get used to our warplane flypasts, says China

Beijing has told Taiwan to get used to its warplanes circling over its land after a series of flypasts ratcheted up tensions. “These were routine drills that had been planned,” An Fengshan, a spokesman for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office, said. “In time, everyone will get used to it.”

China was angered this year when the US passed the National Defence Authorization Act, which authorises high-level meetings between American and Taiwanese military officials as well as visits to ports by US warships. The Chinese drills have been interpreted as a bid to deter further military contacts between Washington and Taipei.....

This month, Chinese warplanes sent fleets of fighters, bombers and reconnaissance planes to encircle the island in a show of force. On December 17, Beijing released a two-minute video showing the drills. Taiwan’s highest peak, Yushan, was visible in the background. The military planes flew around the island again on December 18 and 20.

This morning Taiwan’s army vowed to fight back against any invasion. “In the face of menace, we are determined to fear no threat, to resist any invasion, and to fight until the end. We have the determination not to fear any sacrifice,” officials warned in a video. “For any enemies who attempt to invade our country, harm our people and underestimate our capabilities, they will be met with the strong resistance they would not have expected.”

Mr An said any military action to resist unification “would not be conducive” to peace and stability........

I wonder what a shout would be if China signs a similar "friendship agreement" with e.g. Puerto Rico ;)

tsk tsk tsk Van...............

how can you suggest such a thing!!!

Have you seen the financials for Puerto Rico? I'd be happy to unload that burden on the Chinese.

I wonder how long it will take Taiwan to follow North Korea and make itself invasion-proof by developing home-grown nuclear weapons.

I suspect the PRC would take the first test as the green light to invade for sure

Diego garcia
 

Much as I disagree with China over the nine dash line claim to the South China Sea it is worth highlighting the USA's position in the Indian Ocean.

The Chagos Islanders were displaced in the 1970's by the UK so that the atoll chain could become a major US military base.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/61/86/c9/6...80fecf3583.jpg

The dispute is ongoing.
This from the Guardian six months ago.

The Chinese see Taiwan as a US funded threat to their sovereignty.

Most of the Pacific is under US military control.

Just look at Guam.

It is in the Phillipines but a part of the USA and on the same latitude as the Paracels and Spratlys claimed by China.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...jI9rBlZRS6ve3w
I rest my case.

Guam is 2,500km from the Philippines, thats about the same distance as London from Istanbul. Guam has never had any racial or cultural association or connection with the Philippines, being a former Spanish colony taken by, and ceded to, the USA in 1998.

Case dismissed.

eer: try 1898

I used to be dyslexic, but now I’m KO.....

Which would make the Chinese idiots, if it were true. They are not, and it isn't. You are invited to read up on the Soong family for starters.
If you don't know what you are talking about Jay, best not to open your pie hole.
Just look at Jay, he has no idea what he's talking about.

Suggestion: go back to your usual haunts and attempts at controversy on PPRuNe, Jay, you are out of your element on military aviation (and much else). By the way, I suggest that you look into Kosovo and Bosnia if you think that you understand anything in geopolitics.

Taiwan Defense Policy...
 

...is to be very good at semiconductor production. Which they are. First Chinese boot on a Taiwanese beach = no more world microelectronics industry (or at least a very big dent in it).

With China one wonders if all this is mostly for domestic political consumption rather than an actual intention to do something militarily offensive. If they were deadly serious we'd have seen invasion barges being built years ago.

Were China to invade Taiwan, would we expect to see any UN sanctions?

One has to wonder; perhaps all those sucking up to China, such as Brex****ters bleating about 'world trade opportunities' being pursued by the likes of Cameron would say that, for the "greater good", they should get away with it?

I'd expect the same reaction as when India invaded Goa, Indonesia E Timor, The UK Anguilla and the US on numerous interventions in the Caribbean and C America ....................

zero

It would be difficult to justify a direst invasion of Taiwan to the Chinese public. There is a lot of intercourse between the two populations especially so at the beginning of the Chinese economic revolution.

When they brought trainloads of young men and women from the interior to work in Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Xiamen they couldn't be taught the job properly because they only knew Mandarin and didn't speak Cantonese, Hakka etc. There were no skilled operatives around so the Japanese and Taiwanese companies used Taiwanese teachers who could speak Mandarin. That still goes on, so for a large part of the urban population the Taiwanese are their friends.

There are over a billion mobile phones in China plus unrestricted BBC and CNN so the days of them living like mushrooms have gone.

China still has over half a billion to drag up from near poverty so it is not going to risk its economic progress on a domestic dispute.