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China Threatens Attack on Taiwan

Old 14th Dec 2017, 17:18
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China Threatens Attack on Taiwan

Beijing sends warning to US with a new aircraft carrier to patrol South China Sea

Beijing has warned that its new aircraft carrier will “thwart” attempts by foreign forces to seize disputed territories in the South China Sea as it objected to the US signing a deal that will allow American ships to be deployed to Taiwan.

President Trump this week signed a National Defense Authorization Act that allows the US and Taiwan to deploy ships into each other’s waters. In response, Li Kexin, from the Chinese embassy in Washington, warned that if the US sailed ships into the port of Kaohsiung, Taiwan’s second biggest city, Beijing would attack the island.... Mr Li said: “The day that a US navy vessel arrives in Kaohsiung is the day that our People’s Liberation Army unifies Taiwan with military force.”

People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece newspaper, said that China’s unnamed first domestically built aircraft carrier would begin trials soon. It said that the ship, the second aircraft carrier in China’s fleet, was a “symbol of state power” that will “thwart the containment and blockade policies of some powers”. Beijing engaged in a show of force after the editorial was published. Chinese bombers with cruise missiles performed “island encirclement patrols” around Taiwan........
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Beijing sends warning to US with a new aircraft carrier to patrol South China Sea.... Mr Li said: “The day that a US navy vessel arrives in Kaohsiung is the day that our People’s Liberation Army unifies Taiwan with military force.”
Does a USN aircraft count as a USN "vessel"?
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I guess we'll find out the next time a P-8 diverts for weather?
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Chinese are famous for their "1001-st last and ultimate warning" (used to address to "Soviet revisionists" in 60's and 70's), but with Taiwan they indeed may get furious.
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but with Taiwan they indeed may get furious.
To what end? Furious is fine, invading, blockading, etc upsets the apple cart and their economy to boot.
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To what end? Furious is fine, invading, blockading, etc upsets the apple cart and their economy to boot.
True. Let them have their China Sea islands but stop trading with them. Much (nearly all) of what they produce is totally crap. Tank their economy.
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And watch the rest of the world tank economically - brilliant strategy cvg
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TBH they don't go round fighting wars in other people's countries the way the West & Russia do......... or maybe you haven't noticed? Nor do they have anything like the number of foreign bases as say the USA

They keep the cost down for every consumer and manufacturer in the rest of the world........ They're as much part of the Global economy as the EU & the USA and as important

About 80 percent of China's exports are manufactured goods - textiles and electronic equipment, and include toys, DVD players, mobile phones, shoes, clothes, food products, sea food, body jewellery, kitchen wares, etc.

50% of cameras, 30% of air conditioners and televisions, 25% of washing machines, and 20% of refrigerators in the world are now being produced or assembled in China.

China also produces agricultural products and chemicals.

China makes half of the world's cement and flat glass, and about a third of its aluminium.

In 2006, China overtook Japan as the second-largest producer of cars and trucks after the United States.

Out of the world's five busiest ports in the world, three are in China.
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Capitalism does not think strategically, short term profit is the top priority. And if the profit margin is two (or even three) digit, capitalists go mad. That was why the monster was raised and now it's too late to reverse the train. Put another way, the children and grand-children of those who enjoyed big and easy monies are now facing challenges and will have to deal with them for a long time. In contrast, the chinese are patient and think decades, not years. When Dan started the reforms in 80's he was considering of 30-40 years of hard work. Now they set plans until 2050 to start global domination.
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Well they could dock in Sual instead I suppose next to the ex- USN Kidd destroyers.
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Well Van it was V. I Lenin who made the famous remark about buying rope from Capitalists.....

But they did for him and his ideas eventually.

Self-interest makes people very quick to adapt to new situations
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They need us and our trade more than we do need them. They even need Taiwan. I can't see a real threat as it makes no sense for them to upset everybody. Russia learnt it the hard way when invading Crimea.

If China creates tensions and threats in the area the west should be vigilant and support it's allies and beef up their equipment. Tit for Tat. Step by step. Cold War lessons learned.
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I can't see a real threat as it makes no sense for them to upset everybody. Russia learnt it the hard way when invading Crimea.
Err? As far as I know, Russia still has control of Crimea. Wrongly, but without a response, Vlad got away with it.
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Err? As far as I know, Russia still has control of Crimea. Wrongly, but without a response, Vlad got away with it.

Just some numbers/statistics from Ukrainian (not Russian) officials as per the following link:
https://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/matios-ob...mu-574354.html


Various Ukrainian forces before separation of Crimea / those who preferred to continue with Ukraine and relocated to mainland from penninsula:


MoD (army, air force, navy, etc.): 13468/3990
National guard: 2560/1177
Border control forces: 1870/519
Security ("Ukrainian KGB"): 1614/242


Thus, only one third of military preferred to continue with Ukraine.
The most "dramatic" situation is with security: only 15% demonstrated real loyalty.


P.S. Sorry for off-topic but a potential parallel with China might be with a question whether all the Taiwanese military would prefer to fight with the mainland being a US proxy?
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A Van.

The figures may be correct, but they ignore several factors. Assume you are military, based in Crimea. You possibly have family there, your wife may work there, your children go to school there. The entire family have friends/ties there. It wasn't really a very fair choice they were given, was it?
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Russia financially paid for Crimea with ruining it's raw materials export income from the west. Besides of that NATO politically woke up and Russia's credibility suffered big time. The post cold war honeymoon with 'partnership for peace' is over.
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Originally Posted by Kerosene Kraut View Post
They need us and our trade more than we do need them. They even need Taiwan. I can't see a real threat as it makes no sense for them to upset everybody. Russia learnt it the hard way when invading Crimea.

If China creates tensions and threats in the area the west should be vigilant and support it's allies and beef up their equipment. Tit for Tat. Step by step. Cold War lessons learned.
The Chinese leadership is smart enough to understand that Taiwan is an enormous Chinese asset that is just a friendly reunification away. That will happen eventually, but not until the world has become fully dependent on Taiwan electronics technology.
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They would ruin their trade with the west for a long time. They would ruin global trade that they need most. I don't see them doing it. Because, like you said, they are smart.
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They would ruin their trade with the west for a long time. They would ruin global trade that they need most. I don't see them doing it. Because, like you said, they are smart.
In a few more years, there won't be any alternative sources for advanced electronic components and systems outside of Taiwan and China. Nobody makes cell phones apart from them and Korea even now. As long as it is reasonably friendly we'll grin and bear it, because there is no basis for the international community to reject an agreed merger.
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The temptation to wade into cvg is ....enormous... but he/she is clearly a nut case

Lonewolf is correct - stick with the topic friends.

Interesting article in this weeks Economist on Chinese use of "sharp power" pointing out it is so obvious that it is already generating negative reactions
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