Latest article on yahoo about the missing Sub.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-unders...194653532.html

Surface in a 20 ft waves-sea? With water pouring in?

Suppose captain would have done so in order to evacuate the crew... what chances would have they had in such a sea?

@CAW
That depends upon the water temp and the chances they have of getting a distress call out.

I've seen reposted by several sources what claims to be an analysis by Bruce Rule of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization sonar data. Not found the original source though. he does post at this site though:

IUSSCAA Message Board

Is it a bit odd it hasn't been located yet with modern submarine detection technology?

A very sad and sobering, albeit unconfirmed, account of what is believed to have occurred in the final moments of the loss of the ARA SAN JUAN will be found at:

https://thenewstalkers.com/community...of-a-submarine

Incidentally, for the benefit of those conjecturing on the relative calm to be found when a submarine dives to avoid extreme surface conditions, I have experienced a 26 degree role to either side in a nuclear submarine - at 500 feet keel depth. I can't say where or when, but I was certainly very glad not to be nearer the surface.

Jack

No, an active submarine is hard to detect, deep wreckage even harder- as we have seen with other ship and aviation incidents.

UJ - I think that is the most sobering text I have ever read. RIP the crew

Totally agree, Wander 00. Very sobering and it tells the rest of us the risks that submarine crews of any navy face each day.

You're obviously not an ASW expert are you?

MFC,

No, that's why I asked the question...

Well it seems to me the analysis of the acoustic signals by that expert shows what occurred and he is very factual about the events . RIP

Put simply, dead submarines don't make any noise, and they tend to sit on the seabed, both of which make them hard to spot.

They'll probably locate it using side-scan sonar, but that takes time to set up, and at this stage there seems little need for urgency.

Edit: The other point is that if you're still hoping to rescue people, you're going to focus your efforts on looking for a live submarine, even if that decreases the chance of finding a dead one.

Roughly speaking you listen on a rescue mission and look on a recovery mission, albeit various electromagnetic versions as well as natural versions of listening and looking.

A pity was haven't got a Nimrod in the Falklands anymore.

Somehow not matter how good a Nimrod and there crew were, in this case the crew met their fate very very quickly. RiP.

Did we ever have a Nimrod on the Falklands? Operated from Ascension during the war in 82.
Wouldn't really help very much now that it's lying on the bottom unless very shallow water and you knew where to search.

And if you did have the capability to locate a dead submarine on the seabed, at a depth of at least 400m, from an aircraft, I doubt you'd want the rest of the World to know about it...

Nimrods did deploy now and again to the Falklands.

See following thread.

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...falklands.html

Yes - been there, done it, got the T-shirt :ok: