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F-5 vs Mig-21
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F-5E vs Mirage 111O
At Butterworth, Malaysia in late '70's USAF pilot flying RMAF F-5E did ACM with RAAF Mirage 111. Outmanoeuvred the Mirage and ran it out of gas. Mirage Bingo'd and RTB to full stop while F-5 then proceeded to do multiple circuits! |
ORAC, this is described in detail in the memoirs (available on the Net for some 15-20 years, but, of course, in Russian) of one of the test pilots who participated in these tests (he flew MiG and his friend flew F-5). Indeed, F-5 proved to have better manoeuvrability in close combat.
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Indeed. The Russians were so impressed with the F-5 that they built their own version which came to be known as the MiG-28. True story.
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Do we know how many F-5's made it from Vietnam to Russia? More than one?
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Originally Posted by sandiego89
(Post 9800117)
Do we know how many F-5's made it from Vietnam to Russia? More than one?
Some more video https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e52_1320882209 |
Melmothtv,
You are probably fond of science fiction and thrillers, aren't you?. There is no such an aircraft as MiG-28, and it never existed. This fictitious index first appeared in a novel ("The Sinkiang Executive" by EllestonTrevor) in late 70's and then migrated to Top Gun and likes. The reality is the following. As I wrote above, the Soviet air force was indeed impressed by "F-5E vs Mig-21" test results. It is written in the memoires of Col. Kondaurov (an AF test pilot who flew both MiG-21 and F-5E in those tests in 1976) that the immediate reaction was instruction to MiG-21 pilots to avoid maneuvering at a speed less than 800 km/hr (below which F-5E had an advantage). At that time there was a war between Somali and Ethiopia and these aircraft were in the possession of sides. http://rulibs.com/ru_zar/nonf_biogra...rov/0/j49.html (sorry it's in Russian, just to show that a proof link exists). However, its copying made no sense to SU because Mig-29 was already in the development since 1974 (and its maiden flight took place in 1977). Its in-house competitor, Su-27, also first flew in 1977 though the design worked started even earlier, in 1971 (note that F-5E was brought into Russia in 1976). Both MiG-29 and Su-27, even their early versions, were more advanced than F-5E and were purposed to oppose F-16 and F-15 that already appeared in US in mid 70's. P.S. I heard that Chinese copied F-5 (as they used to copy everything). |
A Van,
I think the poster re the 'Mig 28' was having a slight jest with us all..... |
Originally Posted by bobward
(Post 9800357)
A Van,
I think the poster re the 'Mig 28' was having a slight jest with us all..... OK, then I disavow my first para with apologies. However, there are so many "smiles" in the menu to add "colours" for stupid ones like me ;) |
Originally Posted by bobward
(Post 9800357)
A Van,
I think the poster re the 'Mig 28' was having a slight jest with us all..... Can't remember the name of the male lead though; my brain appears to be in'Cruise' mode. |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 9800379)
I definitely saw one in the film 'Top Gun' starring that tasty bird telling jet jockeys how to fly.
Can't remember the name of the male lead though; my brain appears to be in'Cruise' mode. |
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 9800098)
Indeed. The Russians were so impressed with the F-5 that they built their own version which came to be known as the MiG-28. True story.
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WC, that's a pretty jet.
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Melmothtv, You are probably fond of science fiction and thrillers, aren't you?. There is no such an aircraft as MiG-28, and it never existed. This fictitious index first appeared in a novel ("The Sinkiang Executive" by EllestonTrevor) in late 70's and then migrated to Top Gun and likes. The reality is the following. As I wrote above, the Soviet air force was indeed impressed by "F-5E vs Mig-21" test results. It is written in the memoires of Col. Kondaurov (an AF test pilot who flew both MiG-21 and F-5E in those tests in 1976) that the immediate reaction was instruction to MiG-21 pilots to avoid maneuvering at a speed less than 800 km/hr (below which F-5E had an advantage). At that time there was a war between Somali and Ethiopia and these aircraft were in the possession of sides. http://rulibs.com/ru_zar/nonf_biogra...rov/0/j49.html (sorry it's in Russian, just to show that a proof link exists). However, its copying made no sense to SU because Mig-29 was already in the development since 1974 (and its maiden flight took place in 1977). Its in-house competitor, Su-27, also first flew in 1977 though the design worked started even earlier, in 1971 (note that F-5E was brought into Russia in 1976). Both MiG-29 and Su-27, even their early versions, were more advanced than F-5E and were purposed to oppose F-16 and F-15 that already appeared in US in mid 70's. P.S. I heard that Chinese copied F-5 (as they used to copy everything). OK, then I disavow my first para with apologies. However, there are so many "smiles" in the menu to add "colours" for stupid ones like me No problem A Van, if you were being 'funny' in Russian I probably wouldn't get it either. Best. |
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Anyone know the history of the F-4:parked next to the F-5?
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Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 9802876)
Anyone know the history of the F-4:parked next to the F-5?
One of a pair from Wildenrath painted blue in 1991, the other was a 92 Squadron aircraft |
Didn't the F5 influence the development of the F18? As in A+B model.
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Originally Posted by FakePilot
(Post 9802934)
Didn't the F5 influence the development of the F18? As in A+B model.
There is a line of (paper) development from F-5E to N500 to N530 to YF17. Wikipedia has a basic timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17 |
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