F-5 vs Mig-21
F-5E vs Mirage 111O
At Butterworth, Malaysia in late '70's USAF pilot flying RMAF F-5E did ACM with RAAF Mirage 111. Outmanoeuvred the Mirage and ran it out of gas. Mirage Bingo'd and RTB to full stop while F-5 then proceeded to do multiple circuits!
At Butterworth, Malaysia in late '70's USAF pilot flying RMAF F-5E did ACM with RAAF Mirage 111. Outmanoeuvred the Mirage and ran it out of gas. Mirage Bingo'd and RTB to full stop while F-5 then proceeded to do multiple circuits!
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ORAC, this is described in detail in the memoirs (available on the Net for some 15-20 years, but, of course, in Russian) of one of the test pilots who participated in these tests (he flew MiG and his friend flew F-5). Indeed, F-5 proved to have better manoeuvrability in close combat.
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Melmothtv,
You are probably fond of science fiction and thrillers, aren't you?. There is no such an aircraft as MiG-28, and it never existed. This fictitious index first appeared in a novel ("The Sinkiang Executive" by EllestonTrevor) in late 70's and then migrated to Top Gun and likes.
The reality is the following. As I wrote above, the Soviet air force was indeed impressed by "F-5E vs Mig-21" test results. It is written in the memoires of Col. Kondaurov (an AF test pilot who flew both MiG-21 and F-5E in those tests in 1976) that the immediate reaction was instruction to MiG-21 pilots to avoid maneuvering at a speed less than 800 km/hr (below which F-5E had an advantage). At that time there was a war between Somali and Ethiopia and these aircraft were in the possession of sides.
http://rulibs.com/ru_zar/nonf_biogra...rov/0/j49.html
(sorry it's in Russian, just to show that a proof link exists).
However, its copying made no sense to SU because Mig-29 was already in the development since 1974 (and its maiden flight took place in 1977). Its in-house competitor, Su-27, also first flew in 1977 though the design worked started even earlier, in 1971 (note that F-5E was brought into Russia in 1976). Both MiG-29 and Su-27, even their early versions, were more advanced than F-5E and were purposed to oppose F-16 and F-15 that already appeared in US in mid 70's.
P.S. I heard that Chinese copied F-5 (as they used to copy everything).
You are probably fond of science fiction and thrillers, aren't you?. There is no such an aircraft as MiG-28, and it never existed. This fictitious index first appeared in a novel ("The Sinkiang Executive" by EllestonTrevor) in late 70's and then migrated to Top Gun and likes.
The reality is the following. As I wrote above, the Soviet air force was indeed impressed by "F-5E vs Mig-21" test results. It is written in the memoires of Col. Kondaurov (an AF test pilot who flew both MiG-21 and F-5E in those tests in 1976) that the immediate reaction was instruction to MiG-21 pilots to avoid maneuvering at a speed less than 800 km/hr (below which F-5E had an advantage). At that time there was a war between Somali and Ethiopia and these aircraft were in the possession of sides.
http://rulibs.com/ru_zar/nonf_biogra...rov/0/j49.html
(sorry it's in Russian, just to show that a proof link exists).
However, its copying made no sense to SU because Mig-29 was already in the development since 1974 (and its maiden flight took place in 1977). Its in-house competitor, Su-27, also first flew in 1977 though the design worked started even earlier, in 1971 (note that F-5E was brought into Russia in 1976). Both MiG-29 and Su-27, even their early versions, were more advanced than F-5E and were purposed to oppose F-16 and F-15 that already appeared in US in mid 70's.
P.S. I heard that Chinese copied F-5 (as they used to copy everything).
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Can't remember the name of the male lead though; my brain appears to be in'Cruise' mode.
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Melmothtv,
You are probably fond of science fiction and thrillers, aren't you?. There is no such an aircraft as MiG-28, and it never existed. This fictitious index first appeared in a novel ("The Sinkiang Executive" by EllestonTrevor) in late 70's and then migrated to Top Gun and likes.
The reality is the following. As I wrote above, the Soviet air force was indeed impressed by "F-5E vs Mig-21" test results. It is written in the memoires of Col. Kondaurov (an AF test pilot who flew both MiG-21 and F-5E in those tests in 1976) that the immediate reaction was instruction to MiG-21 pilots to avoid maneuvering at a speed less than 800 km/hr (below which F-5E had an advantage). At that time there was a war between Somali and Ethiopia and these aircraft were in the possession of sides.
http://rulibs.com/ru_zar/nonf_biogra...rov/0/j49.html
(sorry it's in Russian, just to show that a proof link exists).
However, its copying made no sense to SU because Mig-29 was already in the development since 1974 (and its maiden flight took place in 1977). Its in-house competitor, Su-27, also first flew in 1977 though the design worked started even earlier, in 1971 (note that F-5E was brought into Russia in 1976). Both MiG-29 and Su-27, even their early versions, were more advanced than F-5E and were purposed to oppose F-16 and F-15 that already appeared in US in mid 70's.
P.S. I heard that Chinese copied F-5 (as they used to copy everything).
You are probably fond of science fiction and thrillers, aren't you?. There is no such an aircraft as MiG-28, and it never existed. This fictitious index first appeared in a novel ("The Sinkiang Executive" by EllestonTrevor) in late 70's and then migrated to Top Gun and likes.
The reality is the following. As I wrote above, the Soviet air force was indeed impressed by "F-5E vs Mig-21" test results. It is written in the memoires of Col. Kondaurov (an AF test pilot who flew both MiG-21 and F-5E in those tests in 1976) that the immediate reaction was instruction to MiG-21 pilots to avoid maneuvering at a speed less than 800 km/hr (below which F-5E had an advantage). At that time there was a war between Somali and Ethiopia and these aircraft were in the possession of sides.
http://rulibs.com/ru_zar/nonf_biogra...rov/0/j49.html
(sorry it's in Russian, just to show that a proof link exists).
However, its copying made no sense to SU because Mig-29 was already in the development since 1974 (and its maiden flight took place in 1977). Its in-house competitor, Su-27, also first flew in 1977 though the design worked started even earlier, in 1971 (note that F-5E was brought into Russia in 1976). Both MiG-29 and Su-27, even their early versions, were more advanced than F-5E and were purposed to oppose F-16 and F-15 that already appeared in US in mid 70's.
P.S. I heard that Chinese copied F-5 (as they used to copy everything).
OK, then I disavow my first para with apologies. However, there are so many "smiles" in the menu to add "colours" for stupid ones like me
No problem A Van, if you were being 'funny' in Russian I probably wouldn't get it either. Best.
arked next to the F-5?
yes, it's XT899, an ex-19 Squadron RAF FGR2 donated to the Czechoslovakians (as they were then) in recogntion of the Czechs and Solvaks that served in the Allied forces in WW2
One of a pair from Wildenrath painted blue in 1991, the other was a 92 Squadron aircraft
One of a pair from Wildenrath painted blue in 1991, the other was a 92 Squadron aircraft
The F18 was developed from Northrop's YF-17, whose wing had a familial resemblence to the one on the F5, but is bigger and has an angled trailing edge
There is a line of (paper) development from F-5E to N500 to N530 to YF17.
Wikipedia has a basic timeline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17
There is a line of (paper) development from F-5E to N500 to N530 to YF17.
Wikipedia has a basic timeline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17
