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I guess it depends if you are a near neighbour. If you are an isolated continent a few thousand miles away, I guess it doesn't make much difference. |
Originally Posted by Islandlad
(Post 10853457)
What's Donald gonna do today? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 10853977)
Probably post something bizarre on Twitter. Not sure if Mr Kim will, or won't, figure in the tweet.
Bolton is all in favour of starting a war there- reckon we can suppress all the NOK artillery etc - no problem! he clearly doesn't own real estate in Seoul...... nor is he intending to run for election there I guess...... |
Originally Posted by OvertHawk
(Post 10853885)
And there's no way you'll get China on side - they may not be keen on having Yung Fat Wun as their neighbour but that last thing they want on that border is a democratic unified Korea!
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Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 10854110)
China is not our friend. Say what you will about the Donald, he seems to recognize that.
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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
(Post 10854130)
Which was rather my point. China is no-one's friend. (although that could be said of most countries - "There is no friendship in statecraft - only mutual interest).
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Keeping North Korea as a close acquaintance is inviting collateral when the stuff hits the fan.
IG |
But for Russia and China the prevailing winds could prove to be their best friend.
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Article in The Times today.
From smuggled coal to art: How North Korea dodges sanctions to build up nuclear arsenal North Korea has successfully miniaturised its nuclear weapons, continues to build ballistic missiles and is using a range of ingenious means to dodge sanctions, from smuggled coal and art to dispatching workers overseas, according to the United Nations. The new UN report by monitoring experts appointed by the Security Council highlights the ineffectiveness of sanctions aiming to pressure Kim Jong-un into giving up his weapons of mass destruction. It confirms in detail what many foreign experts have already concluded — that North Korea is making crucial advances in missile and nuclear technology. Although sanctions, as well as the country’s self-isolation during the coronavirus pandemic, have had their economic effect, the regime still finds ways to buy and sell forbidden goods on international markets. |
In The Sunday Times.
North Korea’s new missiles: Kim Jong-un unveils weapons in shock night-time parade Even by the unpredictable standards of North Korea, it was an unprecedented manoeuvre — catching the world unawares by staging a massive military parade under cover of darkness. Kim Jong-un celebrated the 75th anniversary of the foundation by his grandfather of the ruling Workers’ Party — led by three generations of family dictators — by rolling out a bristling array of previously unseen weaponry. Dominating the floodlit extravaganza were what weapons analysts identified as four huge new liquid-fuelled intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of striking mainland America. |
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Rather disconcerting, to say the least.
New hardware is one thing, but ever-growing capabilities is another. Add that to the mental processes of Kim and his acolytes, and the ability of South Korea and allies [ally?] to respond to NorK territorial aggression, and it’s even more ‘interesting’. And the Kim Dynasty will be with us for decades to come, with no incentive to change the path it’s on ... The People will obey, regardless. |
Quite a nice big new missile NK has there. Looking at the design it does not look like it would have much, if any, additional range over its predecessors. There is quite a bit more structure and weight around the missile bus and the upper crutching point is quite a bit lower than the bus reinforcement. The extra girth also necessitates addition structure and weight over the narrow-body design. Nobody adds a gramme in that area without a very good reason; it just eats away at performance and you burn fuel just to carry more fuel.
My guess... here comes MIRV, with a subtle hint of Chevaline. |
Nice innovative touch - mass meetings after dark...................... but of course (as in so many things in modern politics ) Herr Goebbels got there first
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Originally Posted by Just This Once...
(Post 10902571)
Quite a nice big new missile NK has there. Looking at the design it does not look like it would have much, if any, additional range over its predecessors. There is quite a bit more structure and weight around the missile bus and the upper crutching point is quite a bit lower than the bus reinforcement. The extra girth also necessitates addition structure and weight over the narrow-body design. Nobody adds a gramme in that area without a very good reason; it just eats away at performance and you burn fuel just to carry more fuel.
My guess... here comes MIRV, with a subtle hint of Chevaline. |
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