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-   -   Iranian F-313 Qaher 'Stealth Fighter', and it appears to be real this time! (https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/593533-iranian-f-313-qaher-stealth-fighter-appears-real-time.html)

brokenlink 18th Apr 2017 19:57

Any chance it could be an existing Iranian type that actually has had some form of "body kit" fitted to give the impression of something more advanced? Does the undercarriage provide any clues as to the base aircraft?

IcePaq 19th Apr 2017 00:53

Nose gear looks like from a KFIR.

TBM-Legend 19th Apr 2017 01:59

Remember prototypes rarely look like the completed 'real' thing. The Avro 707 wasn't a Vulcan..

hoodie 19th Apr 2017 09:10

But the Avro 707 wasn't a Vulcan prototype. It was a technology research aircraft addressing one factor of the planned Vulcan design - so different situation.

Rhino power 19th Apr 2017 13:41

A graphic apparently showing the internal layout of the F-313, with the usual proviso of how accurate it may or may not be, the engine configuration looks odd! Only one engine with the thrust split between two nozzles? And what appears to be a large frame or bulkhead passing through the engine/nozzles, this can't be accurate, I'm sure...

https://s25.postimg.org/jv5omk5fh/Co...aher_F-313.jpg

-RP

Rhino power 19th Apr 2017 13:44


Originally Posted by IcePaq (Post 9744989)
Nose gear looks like from a KFIR.

The Kfir has a single nosewheel, the latest images in the first link I posted show the F-313 with a twin nosewheel set-up...

-RP

MPN11 19th Apr 2017 16:56

I never had the Iranians down as a comedy act, but this one seems good.

My thanks to the experts here ;)

KenV 19th Apr 2017 18:16

"Appears to be real?" Yeah, real fake. That thing has the craziest mishmash of features, most making no sense at all. For example, the main gear are located forward of the main wing and engines. The only way for it not to be a tail dragger and be able to put weight on the nose gear is if they put massive ballast in the nose. That's nonsense. The intakes are above the LEX which would make flight above a few units AOA essentially impossible (more nonsense) and the intakes are coplanar with both wings. That means all the wing spars/carry-thru structure would have to have huge holes through them to feed the air to the engines. On a modern fighter that's nonsense. The engines have no nozzles, not even fixed ones. That's nonsense. There's no HUD. The list goes on and on.

And the internal layout drawing? Its even worse. The wing trailing edge structure is fixed. No flaps, no ailerons, no flaperons, nothing. The canard has no spars which sorta makes sense only because there's no structure for the canards to attach to. And the canard's actuator linkage is all wrong. No spindle, and instead of causing the canard to rotate about an axis that linkage would cause the canard tip to translate forward and aft, but with no hinge to allow translation. The main wing spars attach to.....nothing. No carry-through structure at all. Even the drawing itself is nonsense like an M.C. Escher drawing with impossible perspectives. They didn't even get real engineers to draw fake drawings. This is the work of high school kids with a good imagination, but zero engineering skills.

Bigbux 19th Apr 2017 21:20

Titter ye not with all your advanced technical wizardry. This aircraft will NEVER be detected by an enemy AD radar. :ok:

Rhino power 19th Apr 2017 22:31


Originally Posted by KenV (Post 9745815)
There's no HUD.

Hardly relevant, the F-35 doesn't have a HUD either, or have you forgotten that minor detail? And no, I'm not comparing it to the F-35!
As has already been mentioned, it is almost definitely for internal consumption...

-RP

barnstormer1968 19th Apr 2017 22:51

That cutaway has to be the worst one I've ever seen!
How lazy was it to only show the left hand engine. The detail stops at the centre line then the right hand side of the fuselage is out of proportion.

Buster Hyman 19th Apr 2017 23:07


Originally Posted by KenV (Post 9745815)
"Appears to be real?" Yeah, real fake. That thing has the craziest mishmash of features, most making no sense at all. For example, the main gear are located forward of the main wing and engines. The only way for it not to be a tail dragger and be able to put weight on the nose gear is if they put massive ballast in the nose. That's nonsense. The intakes are above the LEX which would make flight above a few units AOA essentially impossible (more nonsense) and the intakes are coplanar with both wings. That means all the wing spars/carry-thru structure would have to have huge holes through them to feed the air to the engines. On a modern fighter that's nonsense. The engines have no nozzles, not even fixed ones. That's nonsense. There's no HUD. The list goes on and on.

And the internal layout drawing? Its even worse. The wing trailing edge structure is fixed. No flaps, no ailerons, no flaperons, nothing. The canard has no spars which sorta makes sense only because there's no structure for the canards to attach to. And the canard's actuator linkage is all wrong. No spindle, and instead of causing the canard to rotate about an axis that linkage would cause the canard tip to translate forward and aft, but with no hinge to allow translation. The main wing spars attach to.....nothing. No carry-through structure at all. Even the drawing itself is nonsense like an M.C. Escher drawing with impossible perspectives. They didn't even get real engineers to draw fake drawings. This is the work of high school kids with a good imagination, but zero engineering skills.

Do you at least like the colour? :p

TWT 20th Apr 2017 12:19

'Interpretation provisional'. The drawing is a figment of someone's imagination.

That said,I doubt that the F-313 will prove to be much of an adversary in the future !

PDR1 20th Apr 2017 12:35


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 9746111)
Do you at least like the colour? :p

Is it available in a few shades of grey?

PDR

MPN11 20th Apr 2017 12:38

I may have missed something up-Thread, but where do the stealthy weapons go?

melmothtw 20th Apr 2017 13:03


Hardly relevant, the F-35 doesn't have a HUD either, or have you forgotten that minor detail? And no, I'm not comparing it to the F-35!
You kinda are.

PDR1 20th Apr 2017 13:07


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 9746708)
I may have missed something up-Thread, but where do the stealthy weapons go?

They're hanging from the wing pylons. But obviously as they're stealthy you can't see them...

PDR

Rhino power 20th Apr 2017 13:24


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 9746733)
You kinda are.

Er, no, I'm not...

-RP

PDR1 20th Apr 2017 13:40

Is it pantomine season already?

PDR

Mil-26Man 20th Apr 2017 14:27


Originally Posted by melmothtw
You kinda are.
Er, no, I'm not...
Oh yes you are!


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