Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Iranian F-313 Qaher 'Stealth Fighter', and it appears to be real this time!

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Iranian F-313 Qaher 'Stealth Fighter', and it appears to be real this time!

Old 15th Apr 2017, 12:18
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Leicestershire, England
Posts: 1,169
Iranian F-313 Qaher 'Stealth Fighter', and it appears to be real this time!

After the comical images released previously of the F-313, this time it does at least appear to be real, since it actually moves under it's own power in the video clip...

https://theaviationist.com/2017/04/1...irst-analysis/

-RP
Rhino power is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 13:22
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 75
Posts: 5,804
It appears decidedly petite!

Is this a case of "we can" rather than fulfilling a specific need?
MPN11 is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 14:59
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: UK
Age: 38
Posts: 365
I almost feel sorry for them at how embarrassing that dumpster fire of a design is.
unmanned_droid is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 16:25
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Often in Jersey, but mainly in the past.
Age: 75
Posts: 5,804
Originally Posted by unmanned_droid View Post
I almost feel sorry for them at how embarrassing that dumpster fire of a design is.
Or is it just Iranian willy-waving, in the hope someone will take them seriously?
MPN11 is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 19:01
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 600
Not with a willy that size, I think.
BossEyed is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 20:47
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 91
I might have expected to see the rudders move as the jet was turned under its own power....
60024 is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 21:16
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: UK
Age: 38
Posts: 365
Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
Or is it just Iranian willy-waving, in the hope someone will take them seriously?
It's got to be for internal consumption.
unmanned_droid is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 22:10
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 404
I couldn't spot any alpha or beta vanes. Maybe they're hidden?
OK4Wire is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 22:37
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Temporarily missing from the Joe Louis Arena
Posts: 1,912
Is it a HESA Saeqeh that has been covered in glue and pushed through Halford's 'body mods' aisle?
The Helpful Stacker is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 23:01
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Scotland
Age: 50
Posts: 173
Must be designed to combat these;


Thrust Augmentation is offline  
Old 15th Apr 2017, 23:06
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Farnham, Surrey
Posts: 1,269
Mainplane looked awfully thick. CG looks to be unusually far forward (based on the mainwheel positions). Shape seems to have way too many internal corners for something looking to have a low RCS.

But my main question would be how those intakes are supposed to work at any significant angle of attack.

PDR
PDR1 is online now  
Old 16th Apr 2017, 03:52
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: N/A
Posts: 3,314
how those intakes are supposed to work at any significant angle of attack
And I wonder about a vortex from that LERX type surface feeding into the intake.
megan is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2017, 08:43
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: BRS/GVA
Posts: 329
Looks like the unholy offspring of an F117 mating with an F22
hoss183 is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2017, 10:26
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,978

Look at the canopy arch, that would give quite a big radar return. The intakes would be blanked as soon as you pulled anything more than about 7 AOA. The chord of the wing is way too thick for a performance fighter. Too many panel gaps, rivets and navigation lights to be propper stealthy. Sensor ball out in the breeze at the front will suffer above 300kts. The wings look like the same as those on tge MiG17, which are a distinctive shape, and then 'cut and shut' into a futuristic look - like some of Gerry Anderson's finest creations!


Another view...i suspect that the plastic would melt around the jet pipes as there is no protection!


This is the original mock up and note how the 'taxyable' version has a different canopy?i suspect this is just a dressed up model of the Saeqeh jet (see below).



This supposed 'stealth jet' is a DIY model and that is all. A Sixth Form student could do better as an A-level engineering project.

Last edited by Lima Juliet; 16th Apr 2017 at 17:23.
Lima Juliet is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2017, 13:53
  #15 (permalink)  

Evertonian
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: #3117# Ppruner of the Year Nominee 2005
Posts: 10,334
Would've been better off reverse engineering the Tomcats!
Buster Hyman is offline  
Old 16th Apr 2017, 17:25
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 3,978
Better off building an Archon SF-1 microlight - at least it flies!!!
Lima Juliet is offline  
Old 17th Apr 2017, 11:32
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: -
Age: 50
Posts: 204
Even as a layman the F-313 looks wrong in every way. The wings look too think, the pilot looks like he is sitting on rather than in the cockpit, the engines don't appear to have exhausts, the engine intakes are too small and look like they are obstructed by the fuselage, the FLIR looks like a last minute add on which would detract from any alleged stealth characteristics that the plane is supposed to have, the fuselage looks too wide and out of proportion compared to the wings and canards. Does the front under carriage even have doors? As for the downward sloping wing tips, how can they be aerodynamic in any way? I'm sure that they would add drag as well as making the plane very slabby which would mean larger radar returns when seen from the sides? Was it even taxiing under its own jet power as there didn't appear to be much in the way of haze coming from the exhausts. Why have twin tyres on the front undercarriage if this is supposed to be a light weight aircraft. Lastly what benefit is stealth for what is being described as a lightweight CAS aeroplane?
skydiver69 is offline  
Old 18th Apr 2017, 09:12
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Here
Posts: 1,283
How many wuld have thought the F117 'wrong' if shown an imageof it before it came out of the black?
Davef68 is offline  
Old 18th Apr 2017, 12:51
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 1,610
This is no F-117, Davef68.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 18th Apr 2017, 13:27
  #20 (permalink)  

Evertonian
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: #3117# Ppruner of the Year Nominee 2005
Posts: 10,334
Perhaps they're contributing to Firefox 2?
Buster Hyman is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.