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Iran
New thread to add to those on Russia, Yemen, Stria etc. Things are getting heated......
Military Leader: Iran Sending Elite Fighters Into U.S., Europe IRGC commander: 'IRGC will be in the U.S. and Europe very soon' The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, the country’s elite military force, is sending assets to infiltrate the United States and Europe at the direction of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, according to recent Farsi-language comments from an Iranian military leader. The IRGC “will be in the U.S. and Europe very soon,” according to the Iranian military commander, who said that these forces would operate with the goal of bolstering Iran’s hardline regime and thwarting potential plots against the Islamic Republic. “The whole world should know that the IRGC will be in the U.S. and Europe very soon,” Salar Abnoush, deputy coordinator of Iran’s Khatam-al-Anbia Garrison, an IRGC command front, was quoted as saying in an Iranian state-controlled publication closely tied to the IRGC........ “The IRGC is [the] strong guardian of the Islamic Republic,” Abnoush was quoted as saying. “The Fedayeen of Velayat [fighting force] are under the order of Iran’s Supreme leader. Defending and protecting the Velayat [the Supreme Leader] has no border and limit.”....... “Our enemies have several projects to destroy our Islamic revolution, and have waged three wars against us to execute their plans against our Islamic Republic,” Abnoush said. “The IRGC has defeated enemies in several fronts. The enemy surrendered and accepted to negotiate with us. And now all of our problems are being solved and our country is becoming stronger in all fronts. Some believe the holy defense ended,” the military leader added. “They are wrong; the holy defense continues, and today, it is more complicated than before.”........ |
Spin nowt else
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sounds like an SO facing budget cuts....................
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lynn-on-notice
The Trump administration has said it was “officially putting Iran on notice” in reaction to a Iranian missile test and an attack on a Saudi warship by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen, but gave no details about how Washington intended to respond. The threat was made on Wednesday by the national security adviser, Michael Flynn, in his first public statement since taking office. Speaking in the White House briefing room, Flynn said the medium-range missile launch on Sunday and a Houthi attack on a Saudi frigate on Monday, reportedly by suicide-boat, represented “the latest of a series of incidents in the past six months in which Houthi forces that Iran has trained and armed have struck Emirati and Saudi vessels, and threatened US and allied vessels transiting the Red Sea. “In these and other similar activities, Iran continues to threaten US friends and allies in the region,” the national security adviser said. He said Iranian actions “undermine security, prosperity, and stability throughout and beyond the Middle East and place American lives at risk”. Flynn did not specify how the new administration would respond. Asked for clarification, the White House spokesman, Sean Spicer, said that the president wanted to make sure the Iranians “understood we are not going to sit by and not act on their actions”....... Ali Vaez, an Iran expert at the International Crisis Group in Washington, said: “It’s either an empty threat or a clear statement of intent to go to war with Iran...... |
Ali Vaez is leaving out a lot of middle ground, so he's blowing as much hot air as Flynn.
Just out of curiosity, who funds that site, ORAC? I'm not sure ... but follow the money is usually a good idea. |
The Guardian? They are an independent newspaper funded by their own long standing trust fund - no external influence or funding.
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I guess the Iranians will be putting to good use all that Cash Mr. Obama sent them in the form of Non-Ransom money.
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Perhaps this ties in with Bannon stating the West is in an un-declared War with Islam and its aim of major expansion into Western countries? - and both he and Trump have defined aims of doing something about it?
The Guardian - War on Islam the central Trump doctrine |
SAS
All in the directions Putin gave Trumpet. Rattle swords so Iran buys more missles from Russia instead of commercial planes from the US. This is minor compared to Trumpet s-ing on Australia, sending troops into Mexico, and setting up a war at sea with "Jina." The Sultan |
It'll go down well in Saudi Arabia & Israel..................
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a clear statement of intent to go to war with Iran...... |
what would we do without one?
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I still chuckle about the "highly trained" Iranian operative who was caught making bombs destined for Israeli tourists in Thailand when one of them detonated prematurely blowing the roof off the house he was living in. He emerged into the street covered in blood and with his trousers ripped off and flagged down a passing taxi. When said taxi saw him up close it sped off and the enraged operative proceeded to throw a grenade at it, he then also threw a grenade at arriving police officers only to have it bounce back off a tree and blow his legs off.
Not exactly SAS material. |
For ORAC:
Please don't try to get cute. International Crisis Group I cited that group's spokesman (Ali Vaez) in my post/reply to you. I know that the Guardian is a newspaper. |
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 9661793)
Here we go again. Another Middle-East war.
The Guardian piece covers a good bit of ground. It closes with a point that most people don't understand. In his 2016 book The Field of Fight, Flynn wrote: “We’re in a world war, but very few Americans recognise it, and fewer still have any idea how to win it.” If you pull your mind out of the Peace of Westphalia assumptions of wars only being possible between nation states, you find that a strange kind of war has been going on for about 20 years that looks nothing like our grandfather's war. As time has gone on, the number of factions and sides has increased and morphed, not remained static. What Bin Laden and his inner circle hoped to achieve was a call to arms under a broad front (which is sort of what Al Qaeda means) to encourage Muslims of all kinds to fight back against the world order/world structure as they saw it. (In that respect they are in an anarchist model of political movements). With that perspective in mind, Flynn's not raving. He's reporting on history. When you consider the funding funneled into Syrian groups fighting Assad from Saudi and Qatar, among other places, the "many vs many" nature of this new global reality really hits home. It's not going to stop for a very long time, and any fantasy Mr Trump has about destroying ISIS for once and for all demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of the field of play he's confronted with. It's not a soccer match, its a six team 7-man rugby match played with one, two, or three balls depending on the flip of a coin. |
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LoneWolf is correct I think - it's no longer nation states but a war of ideas (or fanatics...)
nation states try and use the perpetrators - as the US did in Afghanistan against Russia - but you don't control them................... they go their own way and it can often rebound on you |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 9569057)
New thread to add to those on Russia, Yemen, Stria etc. Things are getting heated......
Military Leader: Iran Sending Elite Fighters Into U.S., Europe IRGC commander: 'IRGC will be in the U.S. and Europe very soon' The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, the country’s elite military force, is sending assets to infiltrate the United States and Europe at the direction of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, according to recent Farsi-language comments from an Iranian military leader. The IRGC “will be in the U.S. and Europe very soon,” according to the Iranian military commander, who said that these forces would operate with the goal of bolstering Iran’s hardline regime and thwarting potential plots against the Islamic Republic. “The whole world should know that the IRGC will be in the U.S. and Europe very soon,” Salar Abnoush, deputy coordinator of Iran’s Khatam-al-Anbia Garrison, an IRGC command front, was quoted as saying in an Iranian state-controlled publication closely tied to the IRGC........ “The IRGC is [the] strong guardian of the Islamic Republic,” Abnoush was quoted as saying. “The Fedayeen of Velayat [fighting force] are under the order of Iran’s Supreme leader. Defending and protecting the Velayat [the Supreme Leader] has no border and limit.”....... “Our enemies have several projects to destroy our Islamic revolution, and have waged three wars against us to execute their plans against our Islamic Republic,” Abnoush said. “The IRGC has defeated enemies in several fronts. The enemy surrendered and accepted to negotiate with us. And now all of our problems are being solved and our country is becoming stronger in all fronts. Some believe the holy defense ended,” the military leader added. “They are wrong; the holy defense continues, and today, it is more complicated than before.”........ http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...pserhr3ugu.jpg Book was written and published in the late 90s btw cheers |
@LynehamLad
Iran has a Navy. Navies need to do exercises to keep their edge. Iran is doing exercises in waters near their home. It's a non story. Someone is engaging in a bit of spin in that article. |
Iran has a Navy. Navies need to do exercises to keep their edge. Iran is doing exercises in waters near their home. It's a non story. Someone is engaging in a bit of spin in that article. |
People have been over selling the "meaning" of military exercises for years.
This habit of rhetoric gives, for example, the North Korean regime something to whinge about each year when US and South Koreans practice interoperability as allies do. Our own press are complete (censored) about that (they have to fill air time and pages of "content") so they dutifully feed the spin machine. |
Leave Syria or Be Crushed, USA Tells Iran https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...yria-305pjkbs0 The United States has vowed to cripple Iran with the “strongest sanctions in history” unless Tehran agrees to a dozen tough conditions, including the complete abandonment of nuclear fuel enrichment, a withdrawal of all its military forces from Syria and an end to aggression against Israel and Saudi Arabia. “Sanctions are going back in full effect, and new ones are coming,” Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, warned as he gave the clearest view yet of US policy following President Trump’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal two weeks ago. “Iran will never again have carte blanche to dominate the Middle East. The Iranian regime should know this is just the beginning.” In a hawkish speech that is likely to exacerbate tensions with European allies, Mr Pompeo said that the US was ready to increase diplomatic, military and economic pressure on Iran. He said: “We will ensure freedom of navigation on the waters in the region. We will work to prevent and counteract any Iranian malign cyber-activity. We will track down Iranian operatives and their Hezbollah proxies operating around the world and crush them.”. Under the Iran nuclear deal, which was finalised in 2015, Tehran consented to curbs on its nuclear programme in return for the lifting of sanctions. Today Mr Pompeo dismissed the nuclear pact — which was agreed by Britain, Germany, France, China and Russia — as a gamble that had backfired. “The bet was a bad one for the US, for Europe, and for the world. Iran’s leaders saw it as a starting gun for the march across the Middle East,” he said. He listed a dozen US demands, including: ● Iran must completely abandon uranium enrichment. At present it is allowed to enrich to 3.67 per net — far below the 90 per net needed for a bomb. ● It must give the International Atomic Energy Agency instant access to inspect military sites. ● It must end its ballistic missile programme. ● It must release all US citizens and “citizens of our partners and allies detained on spurious charges or missing in Iran”. ● Iran must withdraw “all forces under Iranian command from Syria”. ● It must end threatening behaviour against neighbours, including its threats to destroy Israel and firing missiles in Saudi Arabia. In his first major speech as secretary of state, Mr Pompeo also warned Britain, Germany and France that the Trump administration was looking beyond Europe to build an international coalition to confront Iran. “We understand our re-imposition of sanctions and the coming pressure campaign on the Iranian regime will pose financial and economic difficulties for a number of our friends,” he said. “But you should know that we will hold those doing prohibited business in Iran to account.”........ |
The US "Administration" has lost the plot. Not surprising considering the misfits running the show...
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Originally Posted by Octane
(Post 10153458)
The US "Administration" has lost the plot. Not surprising considering the misfits running the show...
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It's easy to portray the Yanks as gung ho, but Trump's intransigence has bought NK to the table. However, John Bolton makes my p1ss boil - never been downrange but quite happy to send in the troops at the drop of a hat. I can live with so called 'hawks' that know what the outcome looks like, but he seems happy enough to experience warfare from a textbook whilst others get dirty.
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And the draft dodging Clown in Chief who said Sen. John McCain is not a hero because he got shot down... How does one respond to that?
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This ultimatum sounds like the one addressed by the Austro-Hungarian empire to Serbia in 1914: the "sending party" knows in advance that the "receiving party" will not "comply" with it, but it is not the goal. The latter is to legitimize (in the opinion of their allies) the actions to follow. Besides the obvious fact that any ultimatum should be reasonable, it should also contain verifiable clauses only. And at this point politicians often fail because they are mostly the guys with no technical/math education and speak slogans and propaganda-like statements making claims unverifiable. E.g. "spurious charges", "threatening behaviour" and some other words could be interpreted in millions of ways. Also words such as "firing missiles in Yemen" sound vague. The Iranians can say that these are Yemen forces, not them. And proving that this is a lie can only be done if somebody captures the Iranian crew operating the launch complex on the spot in Yemen.Looks strange because according to his bio Mike Pompeo acquired great engineering skills at West Point and thus should be aware of what verification is.
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Originally Posted by Octane
(Post 10153550)
And the draft dodging Clown in Chief who said Sen. John McCain is not a hero because he got shot down... How does one respond to that?
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I think that the thing the US fails to understand now is that there are alternative partners for these countries to go to - including China and Russia, both of whom have no scruples about who they partner with or on what terms (Military involvement in Syria and Financial 'Investments' in Africa prove that), if there is a longer term benefit for them either in economic or political/military terms. The actions of Trump may have worked as a policy 50 years ago but now not so much I think.
The 19th Century belonged to Britain, the 20th Century to the USA, the 21st Century either India or China but certainly not the other 2.................. IMHO Arc |
including China and Russia, |
Arclite01,
Old fashioned obsolete thinking. The age of Empires is long gone., and will never return. 21st Century will NOT belong to either India or China. It won't BELONG to any country. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 10153771)
Not sure why folks list Russia as some economic and trading counterweight to the US, Canada has a larger economy than Russia. Certainly ties to an economy smaller than Italy’s is good but it’s not all that despite your efforts to convince readers of such. 2. Regarding ranking of economies, measuring them in dollars, sterlings, etc. is a wrong approach. PPP matters (purchasing power parity). And in this list https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=100&v=65 China is number 1 and Russia is number 6, way ahead of Italy and Canada. However, coming back to the main topic: as correctly mentioned above by Lonewolf, Russia seems to have little or no influence on Iran with regard to presence of Iranian forces in Syria. Just read a detailed analysis in some Russian media this morning where it was written that some "under carpet" talks between Russia and Iran about withdrawing Iranian forces yielded no result. Analysts assumed that these talks were undertaken in the frame of US-Russia negotiation on Syria. |
Former General Wesley Clarke speaking in 2007;
JAS |
The war of words gets turned up a notch.
America is a disloyal, atrocious, criminal, isolated, angry enemy with disloyal, corrupt leaders whose salaries are paid by the Zionists and the MKO [People's Mujahedin of Iran] terrorist group," Bagheri said, according to the official Iranian National News Agency. "This is while, Iran as a big nation, is faithful to its promises and remains committed to the international laws," adding that, "Today Iran has reached its peak of power" and would not wait for permission to pursue its domestic and regional interests. Was interested to see another aerospace related story, about a missile test facility that was news to some people, in the Iranian desert. |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10154405)
1. If it's all about trade turnover with Iran measured in some USD 10 billion, then it does not matter whether the economy of the "other side" is 2 or 20 trillion. It is anyway big enough.
2. Regarding ranking of economies, measuring them in dollars, sterlings, etc. is a wrong approach. PPP matters (purchasing power parity). And in this list https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=100&v=65 China is number 1 and Russia is number 6, way ahead of Italy and Canada. . The point is that in a wealth of metrics you can choose one to support your case. |
Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10154405)
1. If it's all about trade turnover with Iran measured in some USD 10 billion, then it does not matter whether the economy of the "other side" is 2 or 20 trillion. It is anyway big enough.
2. Regarding ranking of economies, measuring them in dollars, sterlings, etc. is a wrong approach. PPP matters (purchasing power parity). And in this list https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=100&v=65 China is number 1 and Russia is number 6, way ahead of Italy and Canada. However, coming back to the main topic: as correctly mentioned above by Lonewolf, Russia seems to have little or no influence on Iran with regard to presence of Iranian forces in Syria. Just read a detailed analysis in some Russian media this morning where it was written that some "under carpet" talks between Russia and Iran about withdrawing Iranian forces yielded no result. Analysts assumed that these talks were undertaken in the frame of US-Russia negotiation on Syria. Russia isn’t a replacement as a trade partner for the US unless the volume of trade isn’t much. The gent that opined about alternatives wasn’t specific to Iran, nor was my reply. |
To some it would appear that the US is now speaking the sort of language that Iran, N Korea, use on an every-day basis...and understand.
Sadam Hussein used it all the time. |
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...ield-70g5g8j78 Iran builds new missile factory in Syria under Russian defence shield Iran is building a new missile factory in Syria under the cover of a Russian defence umbrella and sending ballistic missiles to its allies in Iraq, according to new reports which raise fears of an expanding confrontation with Israel. Satellite images show what appear to be a new base and factory taking shape in northwest Syria near the town of Baniyas. The base is in an area covered by a Russian S-400 aerial defence system set up to protect Moscow’s military operations in the Syrian civil war, which would make it a tricky target for an Israeli airstrike. Separately, it was reported that Iran had sent ballistic missiles with a range long enough to hit Tel Aviv or Riyadh to militias operating in Iraq. Israel has promised to attack missile transfers by Iran, and has done so regularly in recent months in Syria, but has not so far struck Iran-allied militias in Iraq. With Iraq torn between its western and Iranian alliances, an Israeli strike would cause further instability...... The new missile factory in Wadi Jahannam near Baniyas was spotted by Imagesat International (ISI), an Israeli-based firm. It said the base’s layout was reminiscent of Parchin, Iran’s major and highly secretive missile development centre. The base would be covered by the Russian S-400 defence system, which is regarded as a threat to US aircraft, let alone Israeli ones. Moscow has refused to supply the system to the regime but operates it there to protect its own forces. In Iraq the Iranian missile build-up, first reported by the Reuters news agency citing Iranian and western sources, is not nearly so far advanced. It quoted officials saying that “only a few dozen” short-range missiles were involved. The Iranian sources appeared to play down notions that they were specifically aimed at Israel. “The logic was to have a backup plan if Iran was attacked,” one senior Iranian official said. However, the Zelzal, Fateh-110 and Zolfaqar missiles have a range of up to 700km (430 miles) putting them within range of Tel Aviv as well as Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, Iran’s great regional rival. The sources also said there were three sites where new missiles were being built. The three included a repurposed Saddam Hussein-era factory at al-Zafaraniya, east of Baghdad, one at Jurf al-Sakhar, north of Karbala, and a third, alarmingly, in Iraq’s autonomous Kurdistan region, supposedly a western ally but one whose second party, the PUK, has close ties to Iran. It would be highly embarrassing for Britain and America, which has poured huge resources into Iraq, firstly after the invasion of 2003 and then in the fight against Islamic State, if it were to be used as a launching pad for attacks against Israel or other allies such as Saudi Arabia........ |
Perfect opportunity for Israeli F35s to do their thing, don't you think?
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Originally Posted by A_Van
(Post 10154405)
1. If it's all about trade turnover with Iran measured in some USD 10 billion, then it does not matter whether the economy of the "other side" is 2 or 20 trillion. It is anyway big enough.
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