The Marham incident involved a serviceman in civvies and contrary to the initial story, he wasn't on the married patch.

Thoughts are with his family and friends. I hope he turns up soon with nothing more than an epic hangover. Fingers firmly crossed.

The guy at marham was very close to the base - and TBH there are as many questions as answers about that incident with an amazing lack of progress

"Police say they can't rule out terrorism but they're also saying there are also other plausible alternative explanations."

What did the police mean by "other possible plausible alternatives"?

The current missing person was in town and looks like any other civvy late at night. In the video it looks as if he's eating as he goes ?chips? - certainly not zig-zagging around or blotto

Did you watch all the video?
Certainly looks a bit swervy after he 'drops the chip'.

Would mobile phone tracking data be accurate enough to give a fix?

A desperately worrying time for the lads family and not one that's helped by speculation however well meant or educated.
I've been involved in enquiries of this nature recently and they're incredibly time consuming and labour intensive. Modern technologies can help but you have to put the hours in to get results from them.
I hope this ends well.

Without casting any aspersions by asking the following. I feel bad just asking the question ........

Has anyone considered this could possibly be a case of Munchausen's?

there could be a lot of explanations why someone wanted a close talk to him and he didn't want to talk to them...............................


Corrie Mckeague: Bin lorry seized in search for missing airman - BBC News
the McKeague case has taken a turn for the worse - they've checked his phone and it seems to be in a bin lorry trundling around Suffolk............
Police searching for a missing airman have seized a bin lorry believing it may contain his discarded mobile phone.

Corrie Mckeague, based at RAF Honington in Suffolk, disappeared after a night out in Bury St Edmunds nine days ago.
Data shows his missing mobile phone moved to nearby Barton Mills, matching the route of a bin lorry.
Officers do not believe Mr Mckeague, 23, from Dunfermline in Fife, still has the phone and searches for him are continuing across Suffolk.
The phone has not been used since it was pinpointed to Barton Mills, which is about 10 miles (16km) from Bury.

In a statement, police said they were "exploring the possibility that the phone may have been lost or discarded as the timings of the movement has been found to coincide with that of a bin lorry". The lorry's load was weighed at under 15kg (33lbs), leading police to believe that Mr Mckeague was not with the phone.

His mother, Nicola Urquhart, is expected to attend a police press conference about his disappearance later on Monday.

Over the weekend searches by police, the RAF, Suffolk Lowland Search and Rescue and a National Police Air Service helicopter were carried out, but have not revealed "any new information".
Checks in Bury St Edmunds were also held a week after the last confirmed sighting of Mr Mckeague in Brentgovel Street on Saturday 24 September at 03:20 BST. Police said he could have been in the area of Mildenhall between 04:30 and 08:00 on the Saturday.

They said they wanted to hear from anyone who may have seen or spoken to a man matching Mr Mckeague's description in the area at the time.

Re 'Amazing lack of progress' - it could be that it is not prudent to share a live investigation with the general public unless there is a specific need to do so.


As regards 'plausible alternatives', until the full story/circumstances come out, an open mind has to be kept. Again, is it prudent to share specifics etc etc.


TN.

Looks like missing airman Corrie McKeague and his pregnant girlfriend were "members of a swinging club".
See here:
Corrie McKeague's mum confirms missing RAF man and his girlfriend were members of swinging club - Daily Record

Has he done a runner with someone?

Looks like the police are gradually releasing information they have to try and keep the case warm.

they almost always hold back facts so they can check on the nutters who call in claiming "I did it" (remember the Ripper tapes?) and also to use in interrogation.

God knows what actually happened - it really is quiet hard to disapear totally in this country in this day and age ...

The outlook is not good I'm afraid

Missing airman ?is in landfill? | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

New evidence suggests that an RAF gunner who went missing last year ended up in a bin lorry and was dumped at a landfill site.

Corrie McKeague, 23, from Dunfermline, disappeared during a night out in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, on September 24. The airman, based at RAF Honington, was seen on TV going into a refuse collection area behind a branch of Greggs, the bakery chain. Police soon discovered that the signal from his mobile phone corresponded with the movement of a Biffa lorry that picked up the contents of a Greggs wheelie bin.A search of the lorry, however, found nothing and Biffa initially said that only 11kg of rubbish had been collected.

Mr McKeague’s mother, Nicola Urquhart, 48, a family liaison officer for Police Scotland, wrote on Facebook yesterday that more than 100kg of waste had been taken. “This can really devastatingly only mean one thing,” she said. A Biffa employee who was arrested when the error was found faced no further action, police said, adding that he had made a genuine mistake.

Ms Urquhart said she had accepted that her son was dead and on the landfill site. “I can only pray that Corrie is found quickly and that we are able to get answers as to how this could have happened,” she said.

It seems like this will come to its sad conclusion fairly soon.
I hope the family can find some peace.
I wonder why they felt it was necessary to arrest the Biffa employee over the data error?

Possibly they thought initially the vehicle was overweight, and he had falsified the readings?

Either way, such a sad outcome if he is in there.

I get the feeling that an arrest is almost routine so that the interview may be recorded officially.

Some sort of fiddle going on to reduce landfill charges?

PN.
Not anymore. To arrest there must be a necessity from an exhaustive list.
Solely to interview isn't likely to meet any criteria.
Just seems strange that the investigation would go down that route.

Police have stopped the landfill search for Corrie McKeague whilst they still apparently believe he is there or may have been incinerated. An awful conclusion for his family.

This is so sad on so many levels.....................

Corrie Mckeague: 'Nothing found' in airman landfill search - BBC News

An airman who disappeared 10 months ago was "known to sleep in rubbish on a night out", police have said. Corrie Mckeague, 23, has not been seen since a night out in Bury St Edmunds last September, when CCTV showed him entering a bin loading bay. Suffolk Police has confirmed its search of waste at Milton landfill was at an end.

Mr Mckeague's family say they are "devastated" at the news and disputed claims he would have slept in a bin. Police said all the information "points to the fact Corrie was transported to the landfill". Det Supt Katie Elliott said the landfill search for Mr Mckeague had been "systematic, comprehensive and thorough. Corrie had been known to go to sleep in rubbish on a night out. There is no evidence to support any other explanation at this time."

Responding to the news, Corrie's father Martin Mckeague posted a statement on his Facebook page saying: "The McKeague family in Scotland is devastated by today's announcement.
At no point did we think that the search of the site would end this way, and as all the evidence tells us that Corrie is somewhere in that landfill site, we are heartbroken at the thought that we may not be able to bring Corrie home together." His mother Nicola Urquhart said: "I have tried really to put my trust in them (the police) but to say I am devastated that they are now saying they think he is still in there but they are going to stop searching, I cannot begin to explain how that makes me feel."
She said she did not believe there was evidence he slept in bins and was "angry" at the claim.

Det Supt Elliott said police had spoken to one witness who had previously found Mr Mckeague asleep in a bin and he had been known to previously sleep on park benches, in toilets and stair wells. Although material from the time and place of Mr Mckeague's disappearance has been found at the landfill, the serviceman, from Dunfermline, Fife, has not been discovered.
In June, Mr Mckeague's girlfriend April Oliver, from Norfolk, gave birth to their daughter. The police investigation had established early on that Mr Mckeague's mobile phone tracked the same route, and at the same pace, as a bin lorry on the night of his disappearance. But initial inquiries found the rubbish truck was carrying a load of 11kg (1st 10lb), suggesting Mr Mckeague was not on the refuse truck. Then in March it emerged the true weight of the truck contents was more than 100kg (15st 10lb). The error was a "genuine mistake", Suffolk Police said.

Corrie's mother, Nicola Urquhart, said the initial assurance from police that he was not in the bin lorry had been "the one thing that was giving me hope that he was still alive".
Police say they will now search previously incinerated waste and carry out a review of the investigation for any fresh leads in the case.

Last September I posted..............

"Hope he is sleeping it off somewhere but it,s now 4 days......."

He was it seems ............. and he was in more danger than if he'd been shot at by nutters........... just an awful, awful story

Yes, it is tragic.

However,at what stage does an investigation, with its associated costs in staff hours and money, merit closing down?

The taxpayer/ council tax payer has not infinite responsibility.

Perhaps an attempt at crowdfunding continuing search might be a gauge of public opinion on when to call it a day?

Historical evidence would suggest not for at least 10 years or until the bill hits £12,000,000.

Source

Jeez!! And people have called me insensitive.................

This whole thread has nothing to do with the "fight against terror" - the police in the Marham case have said from a very early point that whatever happeened had no terrorist connection - they continued to question the guy who claimed he was being abducted but have now put the case on ice.

In the missing man case he really IS missing and now persumed dead. Just because he made a bad call after a few beers is no reason to abuse hiim TBH

Sad but inevitable I guess...

Corrie Mckeague: Missing airman search to be stood down - BBC News

There are "no realistic lines of inquiry left" in the investigation into the disappearance of RAF airman Corrie Mckeague, police have said.

Mr Mckeague was 23 when he was last seen on 24 September 2016 walking into a bin loading bay in Bury St Edmunds. Suffolk Police said the inquiry, which has cost £2.1m, had been handed to a cold case team but remained open. Det Supt Katie Elliott said: "It is extremely disappointing that we have not been able to find Corrie. We have now reached a point where we are unable to make any further progress, and have gone as far as we realistically can with the information we have," she added.

A police spokesman said the case had always been a missing persons investigation and there is no evidence of "criminal activity or third party involvement".
Suffolk Police said it had been "re-examining the evidence relating to all realistic theories to identify whether there is anything else that could be done to establish what could have happened to Corrie". But the force said an assessment of the evidence "still points to Corrie being transported from the 'horseshoe' area in a bin lorry and ultimately taken to the Milton landfill site".

Mr Mckeague was last seen on CCTV pictures at about 03:25 BST after a night out and his phone was tracked as taking the same route as a bin lorry. As part of the inquiry, police trawled a landfill site in Milton, Cambridgeshire, for the missing airman's remains. However, after the search the force said they were "content" he was not in the landfill areas.
Assistant Chief Constable Simon Megicks said he had "absolute confidence" in the way the investigation was conducted. "The major investigation team inquiry has been reviewed at various points by senior officers within the constabulary and external experts," he said. Det Supt Elliott added: "If any new, credible and proportionate inquiries relating to Corrie's disappearance emerge we will pursue them."

The force said Mr Mckeague's family have been informed of the decision. Mr Mckeague's mother Nicola Urquhart previously said the search of the waste site had given her "immeasurable peace of mind". The investigation into the disappearance has cost £2.1m and Suffolk's police and crime commissioner said the government had agreed to contribute with a special grant, expected to be about £800,000.

I think there may be a cover-up here.

Corrie Mckeague: Evidence 'manipulated', mother claims - BBC News

I hadn't realised that mum is a serving police officer in Scotland and has picked out an anomaly in the evidence regarding the weights of the refuse bins picked up at the scene.

As his mobile phone signal followed the path of the truck back to the dump I feel it reasonable to surmise he was in that vehicle. If the crew saw his body and panicked they may be hiding the truth of what they did next - even though it wasn't their fault. You and I would have called for an ambulance but others may have felt they were to blame and tried to get rid of evidence.

I hope Mrs Urquhart and family can get to the truth.

"still points to Corrie being transported from the 'horseshoe' area in a bin lorry and ultimately taken to the Milton landfill site"

However, after the search the force said they were "content" he was not in the landfill areas.

How can both these statements be true?
If they are, what happened next......?

lsh

I gues they're pretty sure his body is inthe andfill and the cost of digging it all up is prohibitive

On the other hand I see the Met have more money for their annual trip to Portgual which has to be an even more useless use of cash

Easy for you to say HH, not your child.

A cynic writes:
Isn't it about time the S Yorks Police set off to Greece to have yet another ‘Ben Needham search jolly ?

The concept of "the greater good" seems to be being ignored here. The police [nor indeed any other public body] do not have infinite resources, and even if they had, should these resources be used on single cases, however tragic, however newsworthy?

The media mindset these days is that someone, some public body, "them", must be held to blame for every tragedy.

Sh1t happens. people by and large do their best, people make mistakes, and still sh1t happens.

Time to move on, except for the grieveing famliies. Not their fault.

It's the different standards that concern me

The police have neither infinite cash or resources and spending them on a cold case that is years old seems wrong

I think I'd have to confess to different standards here.
I don't think Police forces should squander huge amounts of their slender funding in these ongoing searches but I also don't doubt for a minute that if my child was missing I would let the country bankrupt itself looking for them.
What parent wouldn't clutch at any and every shred of hope? Who wants to be the one to say "No, enough."?

I still struggle to see why the British taxpayer should foot the bill for an investigation in a foreign locus due to a clear case of child negelct

I certainly wouldnt authorise any further money until Mrs McCann answered the 48 questions that she refused to answer during the investigation by the Portuguese Police. In my view, any mother would answer any question that could shed light on what occurred, unless they had something to hide.

These are the questions she was asked:
1- On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?
2- Did you search inside the master bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)
3- (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?
4- Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?
5- How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?
6- Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?
7- Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.
8- Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?
9- When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?
10- What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?
11- Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?
12- Who contacted the authorities?
13- Who took place in the searches?
14- Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?
15- Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?
16- What does “we let her down” mean?
17- Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?
18- How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?
19- During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?
20- Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?
21- Who did you phone after the occurrence?
22- Did you call Sky News?
23- Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?
24- Did you ask for a priest?
25- By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?
26- Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?
27- What was your behaviour that night?
28- Did you manage to sleep?
29- Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?
30- What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?
31- Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?
32- What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?
33- What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?
34- As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?
35- What is your medical specialty?
36- Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?
37- Did you work every day?
38- At a certain point you stopped working, why?
39- Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?
40- Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?
41- Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?
42- In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?
43- In the case files you were forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
44- When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
45- When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
46- When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
47- When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
48- Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?
A Question She Did Answer
- Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardizing the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?
- “Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.”

A few years back, AR1 (Mrs) was in court at the committal of a suspect Mr A, who was charged that on a certain date he murdered Mr X.

The evidence laid before the court was Mr A was seen on CCTV entering a street prior to where Mr X being found. That an object with Mr A's DNA on it was found in the vicinity of Mr X's body.

Unfortunately, the CCTV didn't show either of them leaving. Mr X was found unconscious in the early hours and died shortly afterwards.

In the pre court discussion the CPS and Police were adamant that they had the chap involved.

Eventually, after being remanded in custody and facing a trial by jury, Mr A was acquitted of the Manslaughter (the eventual charge) of Mr X.

Despite the confidence at the time of the investigation that they had their man, following a case review, some years later Mr Xs friend was charged and convicted for Manslaughter. A Man who had been interviewed during the initial case, as he was drinking with the victim that evening.

Blinded by tech and DNA the police were utterly focused on nailing Mr A. They were wrong, and a young man was perilously close to being locked up for a long time. This could be any of us making a turn in front of a camera, and dropping a bit of a takeaway. We all require the right to a proper and full investigation to protect us from injustice, and to ensure when an offence does arrive in court its done as a result of investigating with an open mind.

Equally, we need to park our own emotionally based judgments, or at least sometimes keep them to ourselves. - Out.