Eye in the Sky - Alan Rickman's Brevet.
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Can anyone more learned than me identify Alan Rickman's brevet in the film "Eye in the Sky"? Despite reasonable military general knowledge, the insignia, and location was not one I'm familiar with. I did suspect a production error, but thought it a bit of an obvious mistake to make.
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British Army Parachute Wings Qualification Badge - it should be worn on the sleeve.
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It looks like a gold wire mess kit version to me.
The Rhodesians used to have an arrangement where someone who had distinguished themselves in action wore their wings above their left breast pocket - WOC - Wings on Chest. Is Rickman Army in this film or Royal Marines? Old Duffer |
He's a lieutenent general in the Army. I've never seen anyone in the UK Armed Forces wear parachute wings on their breast.
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Usual media artistic licence, aka getting it wrong. Mess kit / ceremonial wings rather than the regular uniform wings and incorrectly placed. Only time I have ever seen UK para wings worn there are in old photos of SAS personnel in WW2.
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It makes total sense for it to be on the arm as a Pilot or any form of aircrew could also be qualified paras and you would then have a conflict as to where to place it with their other wings.
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As realistic, in fact, as a lieutenant rpv pilot disobeying an order from a full colonel? Apart from that, a good movie imho.
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Early on in the formation of the Parachute Regiment, as whole Battalions were re-roled, Para Wings were worn on the left breast, before anyone calls "utter tosh" I have a phot of my father, Royal Sussex, who was re-roled in this form of dress.
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I have seen photographs of the tropical uniform worn by Lt Col B.K.Blount who was a member of SOE. His para wings are mounted above the right breast pocket, which I have never seen before. I have also seen pictures of other SOE personnel with para wings more conventionally worn above the left breast pocket. However, as in the case of WW2 SAS and early parachute regiment personnel mentioned above I think this practice was restricted to the early days of airborne formations, and certainly British para wings are nowadays always worn on the sleeve.
I understand the film was shot in South Africa. Do SA paras wear their wings on the breast, American style? If so that may explain the error |
Originally Posted by Sloppy Link
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Early on in the formation of the Parachute Regiment, as whole Battalions were re-roled, Para Wings were worn on the left breast, before anyone calls "utter tosh" I have a phot of my father, Royal Sussex, who was re-roled in this form of dress.
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The wings worn by Alan Rickman in the op picture are No1 dress Para Regt wings. AR is playing a British Army Lt. General who is based in London and is clearly wearing No2 dress. In this day and age, the time setting of the film, para wings are worn on the right upper arm sleeve.
On the other hand, they could represent the Light Infantry (Skirmishers) para wings, however, they are also worn on the sleeve. Para Wings can only be worn if you have qualified and have served in a unit where you could be expected to use your para qualification, otherwise it's just the lightbulb with no wings. http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...ades-brit2.jpg http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...rades-brit.jpg |
When I was in the Regiment, four new pilot officers fresh from Cranwell arrived at Catterick having done the "jumps course" as referred to by Melchett. All wore the full "operational" para wings on their sleeves, which was much commented upon. It was obviously incorrect, but somebody has issued them with these wings, so they carried on wearing them. One was still wearing them when he retired as a wing commander, as far as I am aware!
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Not seen the film yet, but from the context of the posts here, it could be that Rickman's character has made an operational descent - the protocol for people who do that is that they are authorised to wear their para wings on the left breast instead of the right shoulder.
Obviously we don't see many of those these days but it was commonplace during WW2. If Rickman's character is ex-Special Forces, they tend to put up the basic jump wings instead of SF ones on uniform to avoid drawing undue attention to themselves. |
From AARSE
""During WWII many airborne soldiers were given permission by their CO to wear 'Wings on Chest' this unofficial accolade was normally granted for operational jumps (in SOE this was normally granted after one operational jump). In the Airborne, RSR and SAS at the CO's discretion. At an investiture King George VI asked a couple of SAS Sgts if they were pilots - no sir came the reply we're in the SAS. The King ruled that only the RAF and Army aircrew could wear their brevets on the chest. This resulted in a long wrangle between the airborne, SAS, the War Office and the Palace - with Montgomery lining up with the Airborne Forces, after a long time there were perhaps half a dozen serving wartime SAS members who were allowed to carry on with the practice. In the 1970s in Rhodesia the Rhodesian SAS reinstated the practice of Wings on Chest (WOC) an honour that was valued more than some of the medals." Wings on Chest - Airborne - WW2 Talk |
Sub machine gun marksman badge lol, I bet no one ever got that with the Sterling.. The only people that I have ever seen hit anything at any distance with that weapon was the Star Wars Stormtroopers.
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It's a film, it's not real...
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Subsunk;
Not seen the film yet, but from the context of the posts here, it could be that Rickman's character has made an operational descent - the protocol for people who do that is that they are authorised to wear their para wings on the left breast instead of the right shoulder. Obviously we don't see many of those these days but it was commonplace during WW2. If Rickman's character is ex-Special Forces, they tend to put up the basic jump wings instead of SF ones on uniform to avoid drawing undue attention to themselves It took a number of operational jumps to be entitled to wear the wings on the chest. It was not commonplace as operational jumps weren't that common. It's not a 'tendency' at all. http://i1.chroniclelive.co.uk/incomi...0/GL783831.jpg However, elsewhere; http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_20...27e0d39499.jpg Captain M.E. Anderson, SAS Wings, South African Pilot wings, member of the SBS SAS SA SBS Pilot - Great Britain: Militaria: Badges, Uniforms & Equipment - Gentleman's Military Interest Club |
Besides, rather than discuss the rights and wrongs of a film's costume department, howabout this one;
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Still space below his right shoulder for something shiny..........
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I recall Nietzsche once commenting on dress regulations thusly; "There are no facts, only interpretations."
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