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Trash 'n' Navs 10th Jan 2016 09:25

F35 Seating Position - how does it effect the Driver?
 
Just seen this head on shot of the F35 (https://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/fb1646d5-3633-4b31-95dc-31fdf1d52fdb-original.jpeg).

It looks like the seating position is slightly starboard of centreline. Clearly there's a design reason for that but what intrigues me is the effect on the body - especially when maneouvering. Or is it negligible?

Thoughts anyone?

cattletruck 10th Jan 2016 09:50

Aren't the pilots wearing those helmets that let you see "through" the plane so I guess it doesn't matter where you sit. In the future you'd probably be sitting in an office in downtown Washington.

Thanks to Lockheed Martin I got to sample the feel of the magic carpet ride by wearing one those helmets in a SIM. Sure is a game changer.

Pontius Navigator 10th Jan 2016 10:11

Sea Vixen.

Rhino power 10th Jan 2016 10:12


Originally Posted by Trash 'n' Navs (Post 9234047)
It looks like the seating position is slightly starboard of centreline

It's just how the pilot's noggin is positioned in the photo...

Look at this image of the cockpit, you can clearly see the seating position is central.
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/i...9541-large.jpg

-RP

LowObservable 10th Jan 2016 12:47

It doesn't matter where the pilot sits because z-axis 5thGenTM networked superfusion ultrastealth information dominance paradigms.

Engines 10th Jan 2016 14:39

T'n'N,

Perhaps I can help.

The pilot's seat position on the F-35 is plumb on the centreline. What you're seeing is an effect of the camera position, just as Rhino has pointed out.

What the picture does show is just how far along the F-35 has taken combat aircraft cockpit design - although there are bound to be those who will criticise it, and perhaps they are right. The pilots I've spoken with who have flown the jet for real and in sims reckon it's a huge step forward.

Hope this helps

Engines

LowObservable 10th Jan 2016 16:05

T'other guys are not far behind...

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.f...aab-via-g1.jpg

... and with the Elbit hardware you keep the HUD for high-fidelity and boresight accuracy.

Trash 'n' Navs 10th Jan 2016 17:18

Thanks Rhino & Engines. Appreciate the explanation.

Treble one 10th Jan 2016 17:35

What is 'that' cockpit
 
What's the cockpit you posted please Low Observable?


TIA
TO

LowObservable 10th Jan 2016 17:43

It's art of the AEL Sistemas (Elbit subsidiary) concept for JAS 39E Gripen, but the same glass is going in the F-15SA, no doubt with all nameplates saying AEL and written in Portuguese...

Treble one 10th Jan 2016 19:37

Thank you LO


TO

a1bill 11th Jan 2016 03:00

Seeing the gripen cockpit is Brazilian concept artwork, I thought they would label it 6th gen and get rid of the HUD and rear vision mirrors. The artwork could also be enhanced by a couple of missile tracks and F-35's exploding in the distance. Perhaps that's in one of the other concept artworks. :ok:

Martin the Martian 11th Jan 2016 12:37

Deviating slightly, but still on the subject of seating position, I have seen mention on t'internet -can't remember where- that the F-16's seat angle, while assisting admirably with sustaining high g-force, has caused some pilots with many hours on the Viper to suffer neck/back problems from having to tilt their head further forward than if they were flying jets with more upright seats.

Has anyone else come across this, or is it just something and nothing? Sounds feasible, but then again...

WeeJeem 11th Jan 2016 13:13


Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
Has anyone else come across this, or is it just something and nothing? Sounds feasible, but then again...

Nope, you remember correctly - here you go :ok:

ExRAFRadar 12th Jan 2016 08:51

LowObservable:


It doesn't matter where the pilot sits because z-axis 5thGenTM networked superfusion ultrastealth information dominance paradigms.
Have a like.

As to your other post about the other guys - Google Maps now has a right mouse click pop-up with 'Add Waypoint, IP, Target, etc etc specially designed for those 5th Gen aircraft :)

KenV 12th Jan 2016 13:00


T'other guys are not far behind...

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.f...aab-via-g1.jpg

... and with the Elbit hardware you keep the HUD for high-fidelity and boresight accuracy.
Interesting. The Swedes went with a huge flat panel ala F-35, but kept the bezel switches ala legacy MFDs. No touchscreen? And it looks like they have a legacy FMS in the left console. I do like the central control stick vs the right hand only sidestick.

Martin the Martian 12th Jan 2016 13:36

Thanks WeeJeem:ok:. Some interesting statistics.

a1bill 12th Jan 2016 20:35

Ken, one could paraphrase and say "T'other guys are not even close" and need to get their heads around what is "z-axis 5thGenTM networked superfusion ultrastealth information dominance paradigms."

It's sad when even in a future concept, they are just a step up from steam gauges.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 12th Jan 2016 21:59


huge flat panel
Will undoubtedly be 4k capable with Dolby Atmos. Have to have something to help wile away the hours waiting for RoE's to be met.

Also, must be base model F-35.....no cup holders.

BEagle 13th Jan 2016 07:36

Cup holders?

It'd be hard to improve upon the Swedish design:


:ok:


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