RAF Pilot FRI
 

Has anyone else heard about an FRI in the pipework?

Heard 3 years for 50K or if you are in your Return of Service 3 year extension beyond ROS for 50k

Assuming it's taxed.

I heard 150k post tax for a year.

No, No it was £150K for loggies (especially Movers) and £5 plus a sandwich for the pilots. :ok:

If/when the details are released I'll believe it.

Until then, wait out.

What filling is in the sandwich?

Depends who you ask to make it :E

S-D

Never going to happen. Or at least, no time soon.

Absolutely no rumours of such a thing around here.

Wow 50k! The only thing that is surprising about this is how low it is. Are they really sitting around debating whether to offer such a paltry sum for 3 more years of service? They may get a few bites, particularly from people who are already locked into a ROS and haven't planned an exit strategy yet, but I doubt this amount of money will persuade someone who has already started taking steps to leave to sign on for even 1 more year, yet alone 3.

Apparently AOC 2 Group said something about it at a crew retention briefing at Brize recently.

>1% pay rises, more training dets & routes, a return to rates, less niff-naff & triv, scrapping PAYD?

So at 40% tax that's £10,000 a year for three more years, without annual increments potentially. That's going to keep no one in.

Think the problem is they have got to do something. Whether this will be enough is another question!

Training 80 odd pilots next year and manning think they need 180!

Now I'm no maths wizard but that dog don't hunt.

JTIDS
 

Just because it wouldn't work for you doesn't mean it wouldn't work for someone else.

We are all different.

BV

The £80k helped my decision to stay. The absence of anything further in the future has also helped with my next decision to go. The utter shambles and chronic pay decline does the rest.

They need to get serious with pay and conditions as replacing people like me is not cheap, nor is it quick.

With the number of TG1 and Eng AS disappearing at all levels, and not being replaced, the need for additional Driver (Airframe) is likely to be rather moot.

The trouble is, the group any FRI would be aimed at are already pensionable under legacy schemes; leaving means a pension uplift that the FRI would have to counter for every year retained before you even start a retention intitiative - £50k isn't even close.

I personally like the idea touted by a brilliant mind in Manning a few years ago - if it costs £X millon to train a pilot, then pay 1/2 £X million to retain an experienced one for, say, 10 years.

Apparently it wouldn't pass The Sun Test...but everyone leaving does???

I don't agree with them. At all, even though I may benefit. Why should I get paid more in one year than my station commander who holds the risk of going to jail for his decisions?

Blunt stick that I'm not sure is adequate or appropriate. I woild prefer to see it spent on some kit to make my life easier when on Ops.

Well said VinRouge. For a second I thought I was on the Biz jet forum, not the military forum. Perhaps this is a bit simplistic or old fashioned, but surely if you're after more cash, join an airline, work in the city or just leave, you may not get paid the same as some people with the same skills outside (not all of them are on pop star wages) but you do get more than most, for doing a job that lots can only dream of doing.

Is there a new exemption for those below the rank of gp capt?

I think history has shown how adept we are at prosecuting those below this rank for their decisions rather than those who 'didn't know', 'didn't understand' or 'didn't remember'.

Anyway, we digress as the underlying issues remain the erosion of pay and conditions. FRIs are a sticking-plaster to address critical shortfalls; shortfalls that are usually triggered by our own self-defeating policies.