Which role should I do?
 

I have just completed my aptitude test and they have offered me more roles because I achieved a higher mark, but I don't know Which role I should go for aircraft tech(mechanical),Aircraft tech(Avionics),weapons tech,vehicle and mechanical equipment tech,electrician,general tech workshop and ICT technician.I originally only applied for weapons tech but now that I've been offered these roles which one would be a better one.

:ugh: Whichever one offers additional instruction in use of written English. Sigh:{:{

Either aircraft tech would get my vote. I guess it also depends whether you are mechanically minded or prefer worrying about where electrons and ones and zeros are going. Either role would obviously make you very employable in the civil aviation world post service. I would suggest doing some research (other than asking opinions on this forum) in order to make an informed decision.

Depends how quick you want to get in as well. Go ICT or AMM(AV) and you'll be in pronto.

Something that you can easily leverage into a good career in your post-RAF life.

I would probably look closely at being a jet engine technician - job security for life. Weapons technician not so much.

Disagree. Know plenty of knuckle draggers who extrapolated RAF Weapons engineering into many other diverse civilian engineering disciplines. Indeed many found it advantageous to not be encumbered with the licensing requirements for civvy strasse that the AV and Mech trades have.

It's the internet calm Down jack

RG, the problem is that 'poor English' is harder to read than well constructed prose.

Expect, therefore, less help if you can't be bothered to write something that's easy, as in 'pleasurable to the eye and mind', to read. Even if it might make sense.

RG56

A suggestion. Don't cheek your elders. 99% of the posters on this forum have been there and done that. They've got experience.

The advice they give is well intentioned and deserves thought. Just have a look at your original post. Ask yourself, does it make good English? Does it puncuate well? Does it put you in a good light?

OK, it's the Internet, but it's the Royal Air Force you want to join and the Royal Air Force isn't the Internet.

Hope you make your mind up soon and do well. Don't cheek your elders (until you make rank).

Rgds

RG56.....come on mate. Taxydual is quite right. I don't want to be a ball buster but if my son wrote something like that, I'd be bloody annoyed. Make the effort eh? What difference does it make that "it's the internet?" That remark was off side. :ugh:

I would either go avionics or mechanical, they will open far more doors post service career, as said it depends really if you see yourself as more electronically minded than mechanically, that said a lot of the mechanical trade now contains electrical and electronics. Civilian wise avionics trades tend to be at a premium these days. I am an ex RAF mechanical engineer who studied and put myself through my licences, (start them in the services if you see your future out of the RAF continuing your future trade) but to be honest the service engineering background will stand you in good stead whatever you do.
The other one on that list to look at is the ICT Technician as that to crosses over to a well paid civilian job.

Thanks for the reply nutloose I think I'm gonna apply for avionics :O

RG, that'll be a fairy then :)

RG.

Don't worry, the Service isn't entirely made up of pedants and language police.

The sort of jobs you wish to do are very kinaesthetic, so doing it will be more important than writing about it.

Good luck.

I can only assume SE Fitter must be closed?!

But of course the other very important point is that improper use of English can be seen as slap dash and the one thing that the RAF does not tolerate, and certainly not from its aircraft technicians, is a slap dash approach!

Worth thinking about, RG56, as you process your application further!

Good luck

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Camelspyder - Very impressive response. Talking about pedants and language police, you must have an 'ology to know what kinaesthetic means!

Isn't it something to do with dive angles Bloggs?

Yes! You won't get as dirty as the Sooties and it will help if you can play a decent game of Bridge :ok:

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RG,

Regarding good English, the "pedants" here aren't the issue. The issue, whether you like it or not, will be how poor English might be viewed by those that could influence your career.

Don't think for a minute that plenty of people won't notice incorrect grammar or spelling; when they do, it will affect their impression of you. Most people won't notice good grammar, but they will understand your meaning more easily, making you a more effective communicator.

Good luck with your career. Do well and be happy.

I'm just saying I only used short cuts because this is the internet, I'm not going to go down to cosford and start writing like this.:mad::ugh:

RG, the banging the head against a brick wall and the "censored" icons are just plain rude when people here are offering their advice to you.

Next time make your own mind up instead.

I'm thankful for the advice they gave me, but the emoji's were for all the people that thought I was gonna go into the raf writing like that.

Sometimes I'm glad Internet forums weren't around when I was an uncouth youth. Would have got myself into so much trouble!

Of course, there's always the Regiment too? After all, in 15 minutes, it's Fireguard Friday. :suspect:

CM, Et all,

I here what you're saying, but!

I had a long chat with an (admittedly American), English teacher this weekend, and they no-longer (in 'Murica), teach spelling, grammar or syntax.

When I asked her, "Why"? She replied, "The internet does that for you now".

It's a valid point, to which I had no answer.

I, as an individual, can't get all bent out of shape by spelling, commas and all the rest.

In the new age of text language, the rules will be torn up. Get used to it. I'm sick off the English pedants that attempt to be-little those that don't obey their rules. If you understand the message, who cares! I'm also fairly sure that I can make those pedants look like utter fools if they engage me on a topic that doesn't involve English.



I'll bang my head on the OP's behalf, the pedants can just **** off!

RG56

As an aircraft technician a very important and safety critical part of the job, is the ability to communicate clearly and accurately, both verbally and in writing.

Any chance you have to practice your communication skills is worth taking, even if it results in criticism.

By the way I would suggest that Avionics is the trade to go for, but I maybe slightly biased....

What the "pedant" posters were trying to tell the OP was that, as things stand, the movers and shakers in his chosen career path are, like me, probably at the pedantic end of the spectrum.

Given 2 applicants with the same qualifications I used to favour the one with decent grammar and spelling.

FFS! Are you boys for real?
RG ignore all the negative comments from the dinosaurs about your post.
Do what you think you will enjoy the most, congratulations on getting a good result and having these options.
Avionics is a fine choice and you will have good career options post service if that is a route you eventually choose.

RG, my kids are about your age and I admit I was incredulous when I found that their teachers did not correct spelling in any written work. The more mature posters on here possibly do not realise exactly how the 3 R's are now taught in modern Britain.

All the best with your application.

Just an observation. I doesn't look to me like anyone is being negative or criticising and there is no sign at all of anyone having a go. All I see is a lot of very good advice about possible choices and some wise counsel about the use of English. The latter isn't criticism, just wise words offered in a helpful way and prompted by a couple of posts that need reading twice to understand fully.

Perhaps it's worth understanding that RG states he doesn't intend to write like that outside of the Internet and those that offered comment on it were only being helpful to someone that came here asking for advice.

Perhaps the original post is a good example of why it's worth writing in English to avoid confusion and giving the wrong impression to people. Even on the Internet.

Off to bed now.

It's not about the quality of the English as such - it's about the military looking to recruit people who set and maintain their own high standards, who attempt their very best at everything they do, as opposed to only doing their best when they're being assessed, when they think it's important, etc.

An attitude of, "it's only the internet", and "I'll do better when it matters", etc, which is often seen on here from many of the younger generation, reflects on the personal standards of the individual - like it or not.



Then again - maybe I'm a dinosaur. Maybe I'm still thinking about the attitude of the military I joined, as opposed to the military of today?


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Occasionally I assist in sifting applications for certain scholarships. The applicants are required to complete the application form in their own handwriting and to use no more than the specified number of words for a couple of short essays.

It is surprising to note the generally poor standards we receive. Moreover, some applicants do not even provide the appropriate answers to the questions posed. For example, where exam grades are required to be stated, some applicants don't bother to do so.

Interestingly, it is often those for whom English is not their first language who produce the best-written applications. Perhaps that's indicative of the general standard of basic education in our schools these days? But what hope is there when even some teachers refer to the 3 Rs using the grocer's apostrophe.....

25 years ago I corrected a Geography mistress who had written that the sun rose in the west.

She responded that she knew that it wad east and had made a mistake.

I guess the logical conclusion is that any wrong answer is right if the pupil knew it was write and writ it wrong. (Sic)

I was shocked (and dismayed) when a friend informed me that children in this part of Canada were no longer taught how to "write" (joined-up as I call it), but are now only required to print (in capitals).

My daughter was being taught to spell phonetically at school.
In consultation with her teacher that's been binned for her, along with the stupid fluffy "homework" set by the school. Instead she's being taught proper spelling and punctuation.

RG56

During your first visit to Halton, on your Pre-Recruit Training Course, you'll be required to submit a hand written piece which will be used, amongst other things, to assess your writing and communication skills. Perhaps getting into the habit could be useful. Adittionally, during your time at RTS, you'll have to learn to live by the four RAF core values: Respect, Integrity, Service before Self and Excellence. These four core values apply to evey single aspect of RAF life. I would opine that in some of the replies you have made on this thread, towards people who for all you know are serving members, some maybe in the training and/or the selection business, would not follow these values. People here are trying to help you, remember you asked for their advice. Of couse, I know you have not been given instruction in these values yet but now you are aware, why not try putting them into practice.

You also need to understand perceptions and how you come accross to people.

Please don't wait until 'you go down to Cosford' before you decide to communicate properly, if not done before that, you may not get there.

Good luck in whichever trade you decide upon.

RG have you tried e-goat?

You may find a more sympathetic (and current) audience there.

To be honest, I'm sorry I asked for advice on this thread.:ugh:

Thanks to the people that actually gave me advice on what role I should do.:D