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Mr.Noritake 23rd Dec 2014 20:43

M2:

Second set of q's.

a) No, yes, yes.

b) Someone who hadn't cleared it with the right people.

Mach Two 23rd Dec 2014 20:49

Pretty much as I expected, Noritake.

Mr.Noritake 23rd Dec 2014 20:52

Pleased I didn't disappoint, M2.

Bevo 23rd Dec 2014 20:58


Originally Posted by Mr.Noritake (Post 8795054)
'since he could not bring his nose up to track you.'

Utter, compete, almost criminal, nonsense.

I'm not sure what "data" you are looking at (Ps data would be a good start). You remind me of some folks I dealt with in the USAF who told my squadron "we don't need your flight test info we have our analysis". And as you told CM I can disengage anytime - and now is the time.

Mr.Noritake 23rd Dec 2014 21:05

Sound call, Bevo. You were getting low and slow.

O-P 23rd Dec 2014 21:14

Mr N,

I have no interest in WTF you are doing in the UK. I really couldn't care less, at a guess you are selling fake teacups or 'knocked-off' trainers. Now, guess what I do?

Mr.Noritake 23rd Dec 2014 21:25

O-P:

Evidence would suggest that, in part, you attempt to stereotype a culture on the internet and make vaguely racist remarks.

But I'm sure that's not the *real* you, merely the keyboard warrior you.

You're probably a very nice chap in person. Anyway, I choose to comfort myself by thinking this.

Archimedes 23rd Dec 2014 21:31


Originally Posted by Mr.Noritake (Post 8795220)
Sound call, Bevo. You were getting low and slow.

I'd imagine that'd be because Bevo knows that's generally been held to be the correct approach to deal with troublesome Vietnamese insurgents in the most effective and precise manner...

<Coat, hat>

Mr.Noritake 23rd Dec 2014 21:45

Bevo, being smart, can probably get away with it.

Many of his compatriots wouldn't.

O-P 23rd Dec 2014 23:52

Mr N,

Ask my wife if I'm a racist, she was born in Viet Nam (68).

EDIT: Guess what she does?

West Coast 24th Dec 2014 00:51

Jane


In an F-4 you could in fact turn with a MiG-21 below 250 kts by using approach flaps (1/2 flaps). In that condition you could actually turn in front of the MiG-21 if you were above him since he could not bring his nose up to track you.

comment of Bevo's which led me to make the observation regarding the nose pointing ability of the Mig 21 at low speed.
Curious how you're using comments from posters to arrive at your conclusion. The others here are pulling from thier own memory, some from having flown both to arrive at theirs.

There's nothing wrong admitting you're a defense journo type and not a pilot.

Yes, I also would like to know who offered a front seat ride in a F-15. Microsoft?

O-P 24th Dec 2014 02:15

Mr N,

As the F4C is no longer in service, how would you tackle it in your MiG 21? Your tactics must have changed for a 4/5th gen fighter?

PS. I need some 'pucker' Nike Air Jordan 7s if you have them. (Size 11, 9, 5 and 6 US)

FoxtrotAlpha18 24th Dec 2014 04:18

Gawd, it's like watching a pre-pubescent pissing contest against a wall!

I don't think Mr N has been at all disrespectful, and he has been taking incoming fire in the form of aircraft type or nationalistic parochialism at least as good as he has given.

Didn't we all learn LONG AGO that there is NEVER a clear cut answer when comparing aircraft A versus aircraft B?

Didn't we also learn long ago that, unless you know them personally, there really is no way of validating anyone's ID on the interwebs. So much relies on taking someone's claimed credentials at face value, but if you don't believe them, then don't. But so far you've all spent six pages challenging each other and getting, effectively, nowhere!

Now, back to my popcorn, and here's hoping I actually learn something in the next few posts and pages.

melmothtw 24th Dec 2014 06:36

So Mr Noritake has been banned.

Good to see this forum has no place for people expressing contrary points of view in a witty and tounge-in-cheek manner, responding to sometimes purile and often offensive put downs with good grace and humour.

Definitely no place on PPRuNe for that kind of behaviour.

Pontius Navigator 24th Dec 2014 06:42

TOTY Award?

just another jocky 24th Dec 2014 06:48

Under which forum rule/protocol/procedure was he banned?

Pontius Navigator 24th Dec 2014 07:50

Jaj, he demonstrated concisely how he did not fit the room definition of military professionals.

I know we welcome others too such as declared journalists, broadcasters, enthusiastic civilians, and crusty has-beens like me. When you fit none of these categories you stand in danger of being ejected. He didn't and he w a s.

Vendee 24th Dec 2014 07:54


Originally Posted by West Coast
Curious how you're using comments from posters to arrive at your conclusion.

Well no, if you read what he said, he was taking issue with another posters comments, specifically regarding the low speed performance of the MIG 21.

Vendee 24th Dec 2014 08:01


Jaj, he demonstrated concisely how he did not fit the room definition of military professionals.
Room definition? Some might say "Clique".

"Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here."

melmothtw 24th Dec 2014 08:07

First they came for Typhoon93, and I said nothing.
Then they came for Mr Noritake....


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