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TipCap 15th Dec 2014 14:14

2 x Eurofighters + 1 x Apache
 
Just out of interest, we have had a single Apache being circled by 2 Eurofighters flying North and South over North Dorset reasonably low level

Wonder what was going on?

TC

Adour 15th Dec 2014 14:27

Next year's Queen's Birthday Flypast rehearsal?

... sorry:E

Wander00 15th Dec 2014 14:42

Nah, that would be 1 x Apache, 1 x Eurofighter Typhoon..................

BOAC 15th Dec 2014 16:00

FAC exercise?

KenV 15th Dec 2014 16:04

Photo op? Was one of the Typhoons a two-seater with a photographer/videographer in the backseat?

BOAC 15th Dec 2014 17:05

Come on, Ken - who would want to photograph a Helicopeter.............?:D

Ww/W 15th Dec 2014 17:11

QRA practice? Fits the bill, although they didn't drop a boomer!

charliegolf 15th Dec 2014 17:11


Come on, Ken - who would want to photograph a Helicopeter.............?
For railway lines, quarries and river banks and stuff, to scare kids away from danger?

CG

Herod 15th Dec 2014 17:12


who would want to photograph a Helicopeter
Me....http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps5014fea8.png

KenV 15th Dec 2014 17:13

The gunner sits up front and the pilot in back in an Apache. Maybe the front seat of the Apache had the photo guy in it.

TipCap 15th Dec 2014 17:27

Herod - Different colour Wessex from the one I used to fly!!

Thanks guys for the response. We have a lot of night helo activity over us in North Dorset at the mo :ok:

TC

Lowe Flieger 15th Dec 2014 17:44

Practice QRA is a possible answer. Saw something similar near to home in the run-up to the 2012 Olympics, although the slow moving 'target' being circled in that case was a small light aircraft drafted in for the purpose.

Another possibility is dissimilar air-to-air combat simulation (someone will provide the correct description and acronym I'm sure - DAC?).

LF

ASRAAM 15th Dec 2014 18:29

2 x Eurofighters + 1 x Apache
 
Engaging a helicopter with a fighter is somewhat more difficult than you might imagine.

Prior to the Bosnia deployment the AD force spent quite a lot of effort practicing against a variety of different helicopters.

It's conceivable the other teams in Syria/ Iraq may be using helicopters so now may be a good time for a refresher course!

KenV 15th Dec 2014 18:35


Another possibility is dissimilar air-to-air combat simulation (someone will provide the correct description and acronym I'm sure - DAC?).."
USN calls it DACT, Dissimilar Air Combat Training. Topgun was the premier example of that in USN.

And yes, making a gun attack on a helo gunship (that has a turret) with a fighter is not easy. Your best bet is to stay out of range of the helo's gun and use a missile, preferrably a radar guided one rather than IR.

Herod 15th Dec 2014 20:13


Herod - Different colour Wessex from the one I used to fly!!
TipCat. 78Sqn RAF, based at Khormaksar 1967. Deck training aboard Fearless prior to withdrawal.

Ref fighter v helo, the MOD did trials back in the late sixties. Admittedly it was against guns not missiles, but 1v1 seemed to work by turning towards the fighter until his dive angle/pull-out height forced him to break off. 2v1 a whole different ball game; the helo didn't stand a chance.

Courtney Mil 15th Dec 2014 20:44

Ken, I think you pasted in your quote from the other thread.

TipCap 15th Dec 2014 21:32

I was there on Albion with 848 sqdn RN

busdriver02 15th Dec 2014 22:29

2 fast jets and 1 helo sounds like like a basic training evolution to me, a building block to something more advanced. Either building on counter helo air to air or escort and integrated attack (since it was an Apache).

Evalu8ter 16th Dec 2014 00:43

Herod,
Boll*cks! Done shed loads of 1v2 against Hawk, Alfa Jet, F15, F3 and Typhoon. Won a lot more than I lost.....suggest you look at this....

J-CATCH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because it's fast doesn't mean it's good.....the FJ crews require a lot of specialised trg to be effective against a Helo.

ROTORTREE 16th Dec 2014 01:22

I did loads of fighter affil in Germany against all sorts of different jets and in various configurations 1v1,1v2 and some total furballs. One of the best Sqns was the Alpha Jets from Oldenburg (431foxes)but it was one of their prime roles in the CW days.
The hardest thing for the jets was to try and finds us in the first place. Bearing in mind that we were in a pre determined box we invariably had to climb to well above our normal operating heights and put all lights on:p

This is possibly what the Apache was doing before the fun ......sorry.....training began


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