Suspected Terror attack in Canada
 

In view of the coming deployment of Canadian Aircraft in the IS battle.

Two soldiers struck in Quebec hit-and-run - The Globe and Mail

Considering hes only recently converted to Islam and taken to wearing 'baggy clothing' it sounds more nutjob related than terror related tbh.

Whatever the reason what we have 1 injured and 1 severely injured soldier.
Whether he is a "nut bar" or not or has been a terrorist for 10 seconds or 10 years is IMHO is not relevant.

It does appear to be the 'go-to' religion for those of a bat-s*it crazy disposition.

Oh really?

Westboro Baptist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh come on Stacker, Westboro is soo 2013. Besides I'm not sure all of it's 39 members would last long against a few thousand dudes with machine guns.

Westboro chap and child:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...BC_protest.jpg

Well, if those boys were really Christians, they'd already know that, as befits His status, He only smokes cigars :E

I see that they have a custom of picketing the funerals of those who offend them. I'd like to see them try that at a London East End crim's farewell.

Are members of the westboro church deliberately running over soldiers? As vile as their message is, it's foolish to draw parallels between a church full of largely non violent nutters and attempted murder by an individual.

I note the knee jerk response to "but Christians too" anytime someone criticizes a Muslim.

Pathetic.

Here's a Pro Tip for Basil: Fred Phelps is dead, and I daresay his church isn't doing so well. And no, they don't go around killing people, they go around saying rude things. There is a difference.

Sad to say no longer attempted murder, the critically injured solider died.

I guess to some here when a Muslim beheaded a woman in Moore, Oklahoma while shouting Islamic phrases, that was just workplace violence.

Since I live in the town where six CF18s departed for sunnier climes today, this is something that has concerned me for a while. The Canadians, bless their cottons, have little experience of dealing with domestic terrorism. We had the IRA (mostly before my military time) and then the Lee Rigby incident to sharpen our senses. I stopped wearing uniform in public a few weeks ago unlike most other personnel here.

Despite our best efforts to always appear PC and not come across as racist I'm afraid this latest bunch of nutbags (I mean IS/ISIS/ISIL) are making it harder every day. I try my hardest to treat everyone the same and not view people with suspicion based on thier appearance but that is getting harder by the day.

It is not the politically acceptable thing to say but any Muslim is going to be increasingly viewed with suspicion by people in Western countries. Both the Islamic communities in these nations and governments need to wake up and address the problem before hate crimes start happening.

Just my opinion of course but I have a family to look after so sorry if I appear to be xenophobic!

BV:eek:

BV
Don't go down the racist or xenophobic route as not only is that not appropriate but it may be putting you at a disadvantage !

This new thing is truly asymmetric but in location as well as force strength.
Back here in Blighty we could say we are taking part in a massively asymmetric civil war (just calling it something for the sake of giving it a name).
If we as a society could be attacked by members of our own community whom are living amongst us then concentrating on strangers from another race wouldn't be much help :)

Almost everyone in our two countries fall into two groups: those who support our countries and those who don't as they may be consciencous objectors or don't support foreign policy. As we live in democracies both the above groups should be supported. There are a small number in a third group though and those are the people who would activity work against us. I have no time for these people (whatever country they live in/work against) but am thankful that they only represent a tiny minority of our populations.
Keep safe and simply be neutral to people you meet :)

Bob, you don't come across as xenophobic at all. 'Sensible' is more the word, and I can understand you wanting to protect your family. That is natural. :)

I really hope that military personnel and their families don't have to go back to checking under the car before opening the door and switching the engine on, every morning.

Canada does not have Alert States, and I really hope we don't have to start having them. I think we will probably put this one down to a wacko, albeit a religious-of-sorts wacko. Fingers crossed there are no more.

I think we need to find a new planet - and when we do rule #1 needs to be :mad:

I also hope there are no more, but I think you're overlooking the threat by writing it off as a nutter. This, the plot in Australia to behead someone in public, the killing in Oklahoma, the unfortunate lad in London are the ones that come to immediate memory, there's plenty more. The lone wolf or very small group action seems to be the path forward for DIY jihadis.

According to News sources the attacker had been deprived of his passport by Canadian Authorities having attempted travel to Turkey and having been suspected of terrorist links. It seems he wasnt JUST a whacko.
So the question is....what do we need to do with these people? Apparently having stopped him travelling they had insufficient evidence to charge him with anything so he was free to act out his own little fatwah at home instead.
Perhaps we ought to let them travel out but ensure they never get back in.

[quote][Since I live in the town where six CF18s departed for sunnier climes today, this is something that has concerned me for a while. The Canadians, bless their cottons, have little experience of dealing with domestic terrorism. We had the IRA (mostly before my military time) and then the Lee Rigby incident to sharpen our senses. I stopped wearing uniform in public a few weeks ago unlike most other personnel here.

Despite our best efforts to always appear PC and not come across as racist I'm afraid this latest bunch of nutbags (I mean IS/ISIS/ISIL) are making it harder every day. I try my hardest to treat everyone the same and not view people with suspicion based on thier appearance but that is getting harder by the day.

It is not the politically acceptable thing to say but any Muslim is going to be increasingly viewed with suspicion by people in Western countries. Both the Islamic communities in these nations and governments need to wake up and address the problem before hate crimes start happening.

Just my opinion of course but I have a family to look after so sorry if I appear to be xenophobic!

BV/quote]

Absolutely Bob. I've been saying this for years and have sustained accusations of racism from the PC Brigade, but it's simply the truth - and is beginning to out.

In this specific case the attacker wasn't Asian and you may not have benefited from the defence of treating all Asians with suspicion.
However recent photos show him sporting a full beard so perhaps we need to view all bearded men with suspicion.
ISIL or whatever they are presently called will be very pleased to know that we are getting to a stage where all Asians/ Muslims are viewed with suspicion. It means they are one step further on the path of seperatism and using their 'victim' ploy they can then appeal to all Muslims to see that they are under threat and to join ISILs ranks either directly or through tacit support.
Its a sick world and its going to get much worse before it gets better.

FantomZorbin - read post #10.

Calm down Lonewolf. That posting was a joke. I'm onside; well, apart from not caring for Godbotherers of any hue.

Always assuming that there is a God to bother...

Mister B

I cant be bothered bothering a God who isnt there to bother?

Not peace as we know it, Jim.
 

My view is that any country that allows the religion of peace and it's practice to flourish unchecked is a country at war, they just don't know it yet. The religion of peace is nothing like anything our lifetime's experience has prepared us for, it is an exquisitely honed system of political conquest that has only ever previously been stopped by violence. It will be no different this time around.

Freedom of religion should not be the same thing as freedom to wage war, presently they are equivalent where I live.

Tragically one is deceased...thanks to a coward...

Otherwise known as a holy warrior or martyr by those whose his culture he follows.

BBC Breaking News. Not good.

Shots now being reported in a Hotel in Ottawa ( breaking.)

Starting to look like a concerted Mumbai style attack.


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Ottawa Shootings
 

Sometimes I hate being right.

BV:(

I know what I'd do to them, but I better not say.

Absolutely.

It doesn't much matter what the PC brigade pick up on as the 'Racist' or 'Religiously Intolerant' labels are almost interchangeable. The cost of ignoring reality is yet to be counted.

The Muslim (peace-loving?) majority are going to have to make a choice whose side they're on pretty damn soon . . .

Sounds as if the local security forces have turned one fat Arab into Swiss cheese.

The Soldier at the memorial has died :(

I've been watching on Fox ... where the 'anchor' kindly summarises whilst everything said is repeated in French :ugh:

National Security alert gone from Low to Medium. With an on-going operation, one might say that Medium might have been appropriate once Canada deployed aircraft. But then I'm not a politician.

And who are the perpetrators? Are they genuine Muslims, or just some black kids who thought this was more 'entertaining' than gang warfare? Much to be unravelled and revealed, but so sad for the fallen soldier.

PS: well expressed earlier, Bob Viking.

They are not "Black Kids", rather the first one who ran over two military personell in Quebec,{killing one of them} was a Quebecer who had become radicalized over the last year or so, the RCMP had already siezed his pasport but claimed they didnt have enough evidence to lock him up, however the SQ {the Quebec police} filled him full of holes and saved the taxpayers a lot of money on a trial and other crap which our totally PC country now grants these dirtbags . Now a day later in Ottawa we have another dead member of the military {Glengary Highlanders Regt I belive} who even after the targeted killings in Quebec, was not issued with live amo for his gun whilst on gaurd duty in a totally exposed position! a great example of the total incompetance of our senior officers in all branches of the CAF. {they are most likely doing a study, followed by a white paper and a bunch of commities looking at the problem}The killer in Ottawa even managed to enter Parliment where he too was shot full of holes, however the question is how in hell was he allowed to get this far?Canada needs to wake up to the danger within, created in part by a totally flawed imigration system and elected members of various governments who have no clue about the world outside their local area, or that we need to clean house of these idiots.{PS, the dead Cpl was in fact from the Hamilton Highland Regt}

RIP to this second Canadian soldier, and thoughts are with his family and loved ones.

Yet again this latest murderer was a Canadian citizen it seems.
I do agree with BV that the Canadians are not used to this kind of issue though and need to get on a rapid learning curve.
Scenes of tables and chairs used to barricade internal parliament rooms show just how I'll prepared the authorities are.

Learning curve
 

It is entirely simple.

Have muslims get deaths.

We in Britain now accept that equation and absorb the results without concern.

The "learning curve" is I guess merely a process of acclimatisation.

It's wrong to associate Muslims with these acts. It would also be wrong not to do everything in our power to exterminate those who align themselves with ISIS.

Though I understand your sentiment, technically to have Islamic terrorism you have to have Muslims. Whilst technically the vast majority of them are peaceful and want no part in this, statistically there will always be some.

Hence the large your base the more potential terrorists, there is no rocket science in this. In a world where we politically will jump back and forth with numbers using either statistical or absolute terms to suit or political view, then anti Islamic feeling is to be expected.